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Are modern CFB offenses getting better or are the defenses worse?

Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Tigers1984
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:19 pm
15 years ago if you scored 30 points that was considered a great offensive performance...

Nowadays if you don’t score 30 you’re most likely going to lose.

The spread offense has been around for a long time and still few teams have an answer for it. Are the offenses that far ahead of the curve or are modern defenses just soft?
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:22 pm to
Offensive strategies have been getting better, and rule changes have hurt defenses by limiting head hunting and creating ticky-tack PIs.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:24 pm to
every new rule favors offense
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:26 pm to
A little bit of both
Posted by usc6158
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:29 pm to
1. Offenses are significantly more advanced and analytics has pushed offenses to be more aggressive.

2. Rule changes significantly favor offense
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:32 pm to
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The spread offense has been around for a long time and still few teams have an answer for it. Are the offenses that far ahead of the curve or are modern defenses just soft?
I would say the offensive execution is better. When the spread came, HS QBs and WRs threw on a LOT of practice reps and downs in the game that they would have ran the ball on before, reps that would have been wasted in terms of QB development. A team wins or outperforms their talent level, so other teams start running spread and air raid.

Then when enough teams run spread, they figure out that the best QBs are dual threat, and now the old fashioned pocket passer is a dinosaur. It’s like the difference between a king and a queen in chess.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted by truthbetold
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:38 pm to
Combination of offensive innovation (especially the RPO) and that modern defenses are more focused on disruptive plays and takeaways than yards allowed.

A modern defense is happy to give up 500 yards if they get three TO's.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:39 pm to
Offensive schemes are light years ahead of where they were 20 years ago. Virginia Tech and the Falcons were running I formation stuff with Michael Vick, for example. He should have been taking 90% of his snaps from the shotgun.

The other thing I've noticed is modern quarterbacks are incredibly accurate throwing downfield in comparison to their predecessors.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by TheAstroTiger
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

I would say the offensive execution is better. When the spread came, HS QBs and WRs threw on a LOT of practice reps and downs in the game that they would have ran the ball on before, reps that would have been wasted in terms of QB development. A team wins or outperforms their talent level, so other teams start running spread and air raid.

Then when enough teams run spread, they figure out that the best QBs are dual threat, and now the old fashioned pocket passer is a dinosaur. It’s like the difference between a king and a queen in chess.


Being a DT QB and running the spread literally having nothing to do with each other. You could have the slowest QB, but if he knows where to go with the ball he is going to be successful in the spread. Old school brees for one.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:52 pm to
College seems to be mirroring NFL
You used to be able to mug WR's at college level and in the pros
Bama got away with it and LSU did as well back in the day and a lot of teams did

Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:36 pm to
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but if he knows where to go with the ball he is going to be successful in the spread. Old school brees for one.
i'd rather have a guy who's more mobile now though
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:41 pm to
I think kids are able to practice the craft of being a receiver and qb way earlier than before
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:49 pm to
I remember when Saban and Kirby and the signal calling defensive player for Alabama would dissect the offense before each play and frantically switch their own play to defend what they saw.

It was like chess. Easily the most entertaining football for me in my lifetime.

Now it’s basketball on grass. I can’t tell you the last time I looked at the schedule or an upcoming game and gave half a second of thought to what opposing defenses were bringing to the contest. It simply doesn’t matter anymore.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:49 pm to
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College seems to be mirroring NFL
It’s the other way around
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:54 pm to
Seems like all the super athletic players are playing offense now too.
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:01 pm to
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Imagine being able to protect the middle like this now.

When I played in the 80s I was terrified to run slants. Also, I've seen much worse than in that video.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

15 years ago if you scored 30 points that was considered a great offensive performance...


I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, nearly 40 teams averaged 30ppg or more in 2005.

But offenses have gotten smarter, and the rules favor the offense more and more. I don't think defenses are necessarily worse.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:50 pm to
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But offenses have gotten smarter, and the rules favor the offense more and more. I don't think defenses are necessarily worse.


Offenses have realized that unstacking the box by replacing the fullback with another receiver makes the matchups much tougher for the defense. Defenses don't have enough quality cornerbacks to matchup with the depth offenses have at WR.
Posted by TomBuchanan
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:52 pm to
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