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re: Anyone else surprised baseball is still popular in the United States?
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:58 pm to F machine
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:58 pm to F machine
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Baseball is still more popular than college football though.
By what metric?
Because when college football goes head to head with the world series, college football tends to win.
And here is more:
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Compared to other sports, the World Series trailed the five-game Bowl Championship Series on ESPN (8.4, 14.1M), the three-game NCAA Tournament Final Four (10.1, 17.1M*) and the five-game Heat/Thunder NBA Finals on ABC (10.1, 16.9M). This marks the fourth time in five years that the NBA Finals has averaged a higher rating and more viewers than the World Series, and the fifth time in seven years the NBA has averaged better numbers among adults 18-49. Prior to 2008, the NBA Finals had only topped the World Series three times, all in years when Michael Jordan‘s Bulls won the championship (1993, 1996 and 1998).
LINK
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:00 pm to F machine
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here did you read this?
I linked it a few pages back when I first posted it. Came from yesterdays WSJ.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:00 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
15 - 20 years I say it drops to the NHL level and with enough luck, when my son has kids of his own, it will be at Arena Football status.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:00 pm to TreyAnastasio
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No it isnt. The gap between the haves and the have nots seems to grow every year.
What?
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That's just poor front offices, not parity.
Baseball has the most intelligent front offices in major sports. They led the analytic revolution and were hiring intelligent business people to run their front offices before any other sport.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:00 pm to bobbyray21
The only argument you make is for title games. Popularity can't necessarily be gauged by that.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:01 pm to tduecen
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The MLB season seems long but really from Spring Training to WS it is on par with NFL and NBA. I've proven that several times....
I think it's the amount of games they expect you to follow. There is no way I could watch 162 games in that amount of time. There just isn't any way. In fact, I don't know how people attend 75% of them during the week. During the day. Somebody explain that to me?
The whole season setup doesn't make sense and doesn't lend itself to the casual fan. Playing 4-5 times a week is exhausting from a casual fan's perspective.
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the same teams aren't winning the WS nor are the highest spenders
Well ok. Just teams like Houston and Miami who are allowed to implode kind of give the other perspective.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:01 pm to Tactical1
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15 - 20 years I say it drops to the NHL level and with enough luck, when my son has kids of his own, it will be at Arena Football status.
Good God, I can't even post in this thread anymore
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:02 pm to tduecen
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MLB is all about parity.
This statement is not correct.
But, fwiw, I think parity is overrated.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:02 pm to barry
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What?
The lack of a salary cap is a huge advantage for the large market clubs. I dont think this can be argued.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:03 pm to F machine
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The only argument you make is for title games. Popularity can't necessarily be gauged by that.
TV ratings for Olympic swimming are through the roof, clearly swimming is america's new favorite sport.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:03 pm to F machine
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The only argument you make is for title games. Popularity can't necessarily be gauged by that.
I don't have access to infinite amounts of information. I have google, just like you, and I'm doing the best I can.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:04 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I dont understand why people constantly complain about the length of baseball games when the average NFL game last a half hour longer than the average MLB game.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:05 pm to TreyAnastasio
Soccer is biggest youth participation sport in united states and I don't see those individuals as they get older following it the way kids follow MLB,NFL,and NBA
The specialize thing is key because for many this is all they do.... baseball and basketball have become year round sports and as I said earlier kids no longer play a different sport with a different season. You play 1 sport for an entire year and baseball is trending upward in Latin America and in Asia
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At the high school level, baseball has held steady with about 15,786 programs in the U.S.-a number that ranks it No. 3 among all boys' sports. Youth sports officials say there's been a small decline in the number of teams, but largely because of funding cutbacks.
As for Little League, which covers kids aged 4 to 18, about two million kids played in the U.S. last year, compared to about 2.5 million in 1996-an overall decline of 25%. The only growth in youth baseball participation since the 1990s, according to the NSGA, has come from kids who play more than 50 times a year-which suggests more children who play baseball have chosen to specialize.
The specialize thing is key because for many this is all they do.... baseball and basketball have become year round sports and as I said earlier kids no longer play a different sport with a different season. You play 1 sport for an entire year and baseball is trending upward in Latin America and in Asia
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:05 pm to TwentyOneZero
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i think people just like to beat their chest and say "I love baseball." But they really never watch any games. Like its some cool manuever or something.
You posted this just a few days ago :
"Lulz at the posters who act like they like basketball more than football. *look at me*..."
See a trend here ?
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:05 pm to TreyAnastasio
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The lack of a salary cap is a huge advantage for the large market clubs. I dont think this can be argued.
It has been argued. You can't buy a championship baseball team. Before you say the yankees, their core guys were all home grown.
Explain the Rays?
Advantage? Sure Insurmountable? Not by any stretch.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:06 pm to Dr RC
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I dont understand why people constantly complain about the length of baseball games when the average NFL game last a half hour longer than the average MLB game.
That may be an outcome of ESPN showing so many Red Sox-Yankee games, that do last exponentially longer than any other games.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:06 pm to bobbyray21
First, if those are the BCS ratings, college football's in decline in ratings as well, which is no surprise. Everyone is, except the NFL. College football used to get ratings in the teens for its title game (or biggest bowl).
Five years ago, the NBA was getting a rating in the 6's. which they did twice. Now, they have had three straight Finals in which ratings are at the highest point in a decade. What could be going on here? Maybe it's that the nation's most popular athlete is LeBron James, and he's been in the Finals. That couldn't be it. And what happened to the NBA's ratings when Jordan retired? They declined by about 2/3.
But it pretty much shows everyone gets the same ratings now (a 10, if everything breaks your way) unless you are the NFL (or the NHL, in the other direction).
So, what those numbers tell us is that when their most marketable star who is a viewed as an all-time great is winning titles, the NBA gets better ratings than baseball. Otherwise, they get worse ratings. So the lesson is that Bud Selig should send Jeff Gilooly to LeBron's house.
Five years ago, the NBA was getting a rating in the 6's. which they did twice. Now, they have had three straight Finals in which ratings are at the highest point in a decade. What could be going on here? Maybe it's that the nation's most popular athlete is LeBron James, and he's been in the Finals. That couldn't be it. And what happened to the NBA's ratings when Jordan retired? They declined by about 2/3.
But it pretty much shows everyone gets the same ratings now (a 10, if everything breaks your way) unless you are the NFL (or the NHL, in the other direction).
So, what those numbers tell us is that when their most marketable star who is a viewed as an all-time great is winning titles, the NBA gets better ratings than baseball. Otherwise, they get worse ratings. So the lesson is that Bud Selig should send Jeff Gilooly to LeBron's house.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:06 pm to barry
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TV ratings for Olympic swimming are through the roof, clearly swimming is america's new favorite sport.
People watch the olympics.
I'm comparing title game against title game against title game against title game. Do you have a more appropriate way of gauging popularity? Offer it up.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:07 pm to bobbyray21
If anyone thinks baseball isn't popular, they CLEARLY haven't spent anytime in the NE 95 corridor.
DC, BAL, PHI, NY, BOS.
I can understand someone from FLA saying this, but it's only because of ignorance.
DC, BAL, PHI, NY, BOS.
I can understand someone from FLA saying this, but it's only because of ignorance.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 4:08 pm to Baloo
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Five years ago, the NBA was getting a rating in the 6's. which they did twice. Now, they have had three straight Finals in which ratings are at the highest point in a decade. What could be going on here? Maybe it's that the nation's most popular athlete is LeBron James, and he's been in the Finals. That couldn't be it. And what happened to the NBA's ratings when Jordan retired? They declined by about 2/3.
In conclusion:
Television ratings for the NBA tend to vary.
Television ratings for baseball show a clear downward trend.
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