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re: ABS incorrectly changed 4 strike calls in Yankees game last night

Posted on 3/31/26 at 9:00 am to
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177281 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 9:00 am to
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Posted by lsubatman1
Member since Feb 2009
1882 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 9:18 am to
Why the heck are we still arguing balls and strikes? Its as simple as when we all played little league! The zone has never changed. The strike sone goes from the bottom of the letters to the top of the knees and from the side of the plate to the other side! My gosh people its not rocket sience!
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3948 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 9:19 am to
It does seem like all they have done is trade one grouping of missed calls for another. Robbing Peter to pay Paul if you will.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111337 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 9:23 am to
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Why the heck are we still arguing balls and strikes? It’s as simple as when we all played little league! The zone has never changed. The strike sone goes from the bottom of the letters to the top of the knees and from the side of the plate to the other side! My gosh people it’s not rocket sience!
Ask the MLB why they chose to only use half of the plate and not the entire thing
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25666 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:10 am to
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Then they need to change the rule book of baseball and not hide from it by putting out an electronic zone not following the actual rules. Because if a pitcher can spin the ball in the zone on the very front of the plate that is a strike


This is so obviously correct, that im not sure how people can disagree.

if the game has changed to the point that you cant follow the rule, then change the rule.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28247 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:22 am to
Why not just measure the ball passing the front and the back of the plate? Seems odd to just measure the middle. If it crosses either the front or back plane then it would obviously cross the middle.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33616 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:28 am to
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Ask the MLB why they chose to only use half of the plate and not the entire thing
because they designed ABS to mimic what umps actually call in the game. They literally admitted their umps don't (or can't) follow the letter of the law.

The rulebook hasn't ever mattered in baseball for strikes and balls. It's been a guideline since it's inception.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
29558 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:50 am to
4 times last night the ump correctly called a low strike, and the Yankees challenged

How many challenges do they get ?

The Umpires have a tough job trying to look over a catchers shoulder at a 100 mph pitch and call it while the catcher frames them.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:55 am to
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So instead they intentionally chose a system that does not follow the actual rule book on a strike


I don't get into the letter of the rule book...but just from watching MLB for decades and casually watching ABS overturns...the ABS. Strike zone instinctively seemed too small IMO compared to what had been called a strike for years and years.

I guess humans have been apparently wrong all these years but instinctively and based on conditioning I suppose, it feels off and restrictive and I sorta can understand the Umps frustrations.

The strike window of ABS does seem a bad fit for different batters in the quest to be universally standard or objective. Regardless, there is some cognitive dissonance going on due to years of expectations...its telling me its not a strike against instincts and expectations that it is or used to be. Its bothersome to watch.
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 11:57 am
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
57059 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:46 pm to
Imagine gambling on this shite all the time now
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18685 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:09 pm to
The system is not 100% - it's better than the human umpire but everyone thinks it full proof and never off and that's just not true.

There are multiple factors that go into from the models they use to get a players strike zone to who and how inputs data to soft factors like sunlight, wind, reflections, and others that can affect it.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73336 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:17 pm to
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How did you confirm that ABS only uses a two-dimensional reading?

because the MLB says so on their website

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Is the ABS strike zone three-dimensional?

No. Though the rulebook defines the strike zone as a three-dimensional box, the ABS strike zone is two-dimensional. A three-dimensional version was initially tested, but it allowed breaking balls to nick the edges of the zone, leading to inconsistency in strike calls.

Why is the ABS strike zone over the middle of the plate instead of the front?

In the past, TV broadcasts featured a zone set at the front of the plate. But similar to the 3D testing, having the zone over the front of the plate in initial testing produced odd outcomes, such as slow curveballs that clip the very front edge of the zone and land in the dirt being ruled a strike, even though no one who watches baseball would agree.

When the zone was moved to the middle of the plate, the results were much more in line with where the hitter stands and how the strike zone is traditionally called.


LINK
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11924 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:26 pm to
Thank you for those definitions of a strike zone.
Posted by JoeyP239
Member since Nov 2025
1158 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:19 pm to
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They had the ability to use an actually accurate 3d zone. They didn’t like the “optics” of actual strikes sometimes hitting the dirt


Are you retarded?

There’s typically 18-20 inches between a 6’0 tall man’s knee to his flat bottom foot.

There’s no possible way a ball that ends up in the dirt could ever break 18-20 inches from knee to dirt in the distance beyween home plate and where catcher sets up. Zero possible way.

Stop parroting this bullshite. It’s physically imposeinle to throw a pitch that does that
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52173 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:19 pm to
I’m good with the middle of the plate being the measure point.

With the spin rates and movement these guys generate, just about any pitch with movement is going to be impossible to hit if it barely nips the front edge of the plate.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111337 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:35 pm to
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They literally admitted their umps don't (or can't) follow the letter of the law.
Except for the fact multiple times last night the ump correctly called a strike and ABS incorrectly changed it to a ball
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111337 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:39 pm to
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There’s no possible way a ball that ends up in the dirt could ever break 18-20 inches from knee to dirt in the distance beyween home plate and where catcher sets up. Zero possible way.
This is so wrong

There is roughly 3 feet from the catchers glove to the front of the plate. Very easily a strike that crosses the front of the plate can be in the dirt before it gets to the catcher
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 3:40 pm
Posted by JoeyP239
Member since Nov 2025
1158 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:49 pm to
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This is so wrong There is roughly 3 feet from the catchers glove to the front of the plate. Very easily a strike that crosses the front of the plate can be in the dirt before it gets to the catcher


Dude….the pitch is coming from 60 feet 6 inches. There’s no possible angle it coiod even be thrown at where it’s still 18 inches off the ground at 60 feet, then 3 additional feet it’s in the dirt. Do the math

The biggest breaking balls will break 20-25 inches from where the pitcher released. 60 feet back.

Nobody is getting 18 of those inches in the last 3 feet. It impossible from a physics standpoint

This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 4:00 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111337 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:51 pm to
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Dude….the pitch is coming from 60 feet 6 inches. There’s no possible angle it coiod even be thrown at where it’s still 18 inches off the ground at 60 feet, then 3 additional feet it’s in the dirt. Do the math,
Kershaw has roughly 15” of late drop on his curveball. That’s going to run a strike into a catcher dropping and fielding it in the dirt…
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 3:54 pm
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21911 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 4:50 pm to
Its so great watching cb bucknor and other shitty umps have to watch their calls get overturned.
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