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re: A correct swing vs. an umpire's strike zone is where the problem is.

Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10912 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:26 pm to
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Thacian

Sorry baw, but you are very wrong here.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:29 pm to
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Then that’s chins to shins

No body likes a walk fest in youth ball

Yep.

And batter's box to batter's box
Posted by SeaBass23
VA
Member since Jul 2019
1781 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:39 pm to
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Yes yes , the rules state the strike zone can be called from below the letters. Imo, this is totally and utterly complete horse shite. What coach in america who "knows" baseball is teaching a "correct swing" in the instruction/progression in batting stations to swing at a ball this high? Not many.


It is easier to drive a ball up in the zone. This is why coaches tell their pitchers to keep the ball down. Are you coaching baseball or cricket?
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:48 pm to
Yep. That's why I've always called the high strike.
Posted by Thacian
USA
Member since Aug 2015
2173 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:02 pm to
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disagrees with you.
i never said it wasnt. If you would use to correct comprehension(sp), then you would read that i already said where its letters to knees. Its a zone that isnt in line with a correct swing is what i did say.

Belt to letters(pussy arse shite) being a strike is a not baseball imo and most all solid umpires dont call it.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 8:03 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:18 pm to
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Belt to letters(pussy arse shite) being a strike is a not baseball imo and most all solid umpires dont call it.



This guy....
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66962 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:46 pm to
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Its a zone that isnt in line with a correct swing is what i did say.

Belt to letters(pussy arse shite) being a strike is a not baseball imo and most all solid umpires dont call it.


So in your mind the zone should be so small it requires no variation in the “correct swing” and should 100% favor the hitter? Why don’t we just eliminate pitching and go to tee ball for all levels?
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
Location: Classified
Member since Nov 2011
38962 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:58 pm to
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As an umpire I can tell you that this is false.

If you aren't calling any pitches above the belt than you shouldn't be behind the plate and you are gonna be out there all night.

I have always called the letter-high strike.

ETA: My low zone is the top of the knees.


Same for me.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5067 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:34 pm to
Exactly how much adderall did you take before writing this?
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30083 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:45 pm to
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This whole idea of umpires having a "tight zone" is bs


Hmm…ok

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Yes yes , the rules state the strike zone can be called from below the letters. Imo, this is totally and utterly complete horse shite.


So you do want a tighter strike zone? I’m confused.

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Before the season each conference needs to hold a conference between head coaches and the sec(for example) "all umpires and get on the same page as far as strikes,balls and what rules have to be enforced right away and one's that will be judgement.


I’m sure something like this is done, just not the way you think.

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Some may dissagree


As I post this, it seems all are disagreeing.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30083 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 11:52 pm to
Bottom line: I want the kids to swing. I umpire too many games where the kids stand there and watch. 9-10 y/o can be a struggle, especially early in the season. I usually end up calling strikes a little bit on the lower end. I don’t mind widening the zone by the width of a ball, but anything farther and I feel like it’s a bit much.

It also doesn’t help when catchers set up unintentionally in different spots for each pitch (too far back, outside inside) and lack framing skills.

Such is the life of umpiring that age.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 12:18 am to
Thread is painful. Strike zone is knees to chest over the plate. That's basic. But it's not something that should be hammered in because of umps but also because this isn't the majors
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TexasTiger08

Like this, the idea of a "reading" a 9 year old's pitch and arguing over the zone with the ump is also some fricking bullshite. Braxtynn needs to just blast away if he can and let it go if it's totally unhittable. You're making the game shitty and asking for an argument with the ump, and even if by some miracle it became a useful skill for Braxtynn he's not learning anything from 9 year old pitchers and he should already be a man among boys out there jacking homers and not having to resort to arguing about the edges of the strike zone
This post was edited on 4/19/23 at 12:19 am
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30083 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 12:29 am to
The best players in the leagues I umpire are the kids that come up swinging. They don’t work the count on some could looping it to the plate. They see something they like and unload.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15251 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 7:06 am to
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9-10 y/o can be a struggle


Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7312 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 8:06 am to
Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:11 am to
The next change that is coming soon to an MLB stadium near you is the electronic strike zone. The fact that all Triple-A teams have it now and it's working has me excited. They are talking about only having 3 challenges per game. That ain't near enough. Tennis is unlimited and it works instantly so no time is really required. Baseball just needs to go to the exact same technology.

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:22 am to
use computers for balls and strikes.
program to actual rules.

end of problem.

yes some umps speed things up if weather is expected.
you tell everyone the program will call strikes if within 2.5 inches of plate. not 5. 2.5.
Posted by texn
Pronouns: Y'All/Y'All's
Member since Nov 2019
4100 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:27 am to
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U didnt read the whole post


Posted by Fububutsy
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2007
4086 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:31 am to
I would ask how you’ve made it almost 8 years here being this dumb, but you’re still probably in the top half of intelligence on this forum.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39115 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:35 am to
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give the coaches what they want
I didnt realize this was a sports officials job
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