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A correct swing vs. an umpire's strike zone is where the problem is.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:29 pm
A Good umpire will keep coaches happier if he uses every tool learned and applies in the best way he can to give the coaches what they want. Showing patience, "consistency"and confidence will get an umpire many more successful games completed.
1. All coaches teach a strike zone in hitting practice that is usually knees to the belt. Umpires needs to see this. To me, if an umpire stays within those parameters across the plate and remains consistent, coaches will be satisfied as a whole.
2. This whole idea of umpires having a "tight zone" is bs. There should be no such thing as a tight zone in ncaa d1 ball. The "strike zone" is black to black period and using the knees to belt is fair. Some umpires may lower to the top half of the zone to top zipper. That may be thought of as tightening the zone but if its for both teams then so be it.
3. Yes yes , the rules state the strike zone can be called from below the letters. Imo, this is totally and utterly complete horse shite. What coach in america who "knows" baseball is teaching a "correct swing" in the instruction/progression in batting stations to swing at a ball this high? Not many. This is why ex coaches can make good umpires. They understand both sides and have more patience and compassion for the game itself.
4. Some umpires may call bs in my opinion but have a meeting with all the sec coaches and ask them where they actual strike zone as a whole should be and youll find that they dont vary that much. On the other hand, many umpires "vary" in the top of the zone strike and some are even inconsistent(missed calls for balls/strikes)
5. Before the season each conference needs to hold a conference between head coaches and the sec(for example) "all umpires and get on the same page as far as strikes,balls and what rules have to be enforced right away and one's that will be judgement.
6. I believe where the problem is this: teaching a correct swing vs incredibly vague strike zone. Neither coincide together and this is where the issue has always been.
Just my 2 cents. Some may dissagree but this can only help
1. All coaches teach a strike zone in hitting practice that is usually knees to the belt. Umpires needs to see this. To me, if an umpire stays within those parameters across the plate and remains consistent, coaches will be satisfied as a whole.
2. This whole idea of umpires having a "tight zone" is bs. There should be no such thing as a tight zone in ncaa d1 ball. The "strike zone" is black to black period and using the knees to belt is fair. Some umpires may lower to the top half of the zone to top zipper. That may be thought of as tightening the zone but if its for both teams then so be it.
3. Yes yes , the rules state the strike zone can be called from below the letters. Imo, this is totally and utterly complete horse shite. What coach in america who "knows" baseball is teaching a "correct swing" in the instruction/progression in batting stations to swing at a ball this high? Not many. This is why ex coaches can make good umpires. They understand both sides and have more patience and compassion for the game itself.
4. Some umpires may call bs in my opinion but have a meeting with all the sec coaches and ask them where they actual strike zone as a whole should be and youll find that they dont vary that much. On the other hand, many umpires "vary" in the top of the zone strike and some are even inconsistent(missed calls for balls/strikes)
5. Before the season each conference needs to hold a conference between head coaches and the sec(for example) "all umpires and get on the same page as far as strikes,balls and what rules have to be enforced right away and one's that will be judgement.
6. I believe where the problem is this: teaching a correct swing vs incredibly vague strike zone. Neither coincide together and this is where the issue has always been.
Just my 2 cents. Some may dissagree but this can only help
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 6:30 pm
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:32 pm to Thacian
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usually knees to the belt
Knees to letters.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:43 pm to Bmath
U didnt read the whole post
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:45 pm to Thacian
quote:
knees to the belt
As an umpire I can tell you that this is false.
If you aren't calling any pitches above the belt than you shouldn't be behind the plate and you are gonna be out there all night.
I have always called the letter-high strike.
ETA: My low zone is the top of the knees.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:55 pm to Thacian
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U didnt read the whole post
I did. You spent a long time typing nonsense based around your opinion on where the strike zone is.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:00 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:...tells me all i need to know about the kind of umpire you are
letter-high strike
[you are gonna be out there all night] what are you calling ? 9aa utrip?
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:02 pm to Thacian
First rule I taught the kids I coached in youth baseball.
Me: Where is the strike zone?
Them: Wherever the ump says it is that day.
While I agree there should be consistency, if a player sees the ump calling a strike that is not in the true zone consistently and doesn’t adjust, that’s the player’s fault.
Me: Where is the strike zone?
Them: Wherever the ump says it is that day.
While I agree there should be consistency, if a player sees the ump calling a strike that is not in the true zone consistently and doesn’t adjust, that’s the player’s fault.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:04 pm to Thacian
Funny coming from a non-umpire.
I can count on 2 hands in 19 years of calling high-school ball that I've had a coach visibly complain about either my consistency/zone.
Nice melt.
I can count on 2 hands in 19 years of calling high-school ball that I've had a coach visibly complain about either my consistency/zone.
Nice melt.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:06 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
Funny coming from a non-umpire. I can count on 2 hands in 19 years of calling high-school ball that I've had a coach visibly complain about either my consistency/zone.
I’m with CCUA
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:07 pm to Thacian
One that actually has read the rule book?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:09 pm to Thacian
quote:
[you are gonna be out there all night] what are you calling ? 9aa utrip
High school in Georgia.
And if you don't call anything above the belt, the kids aren't gonna swing at anything above the belt, thus, you.are gonna have walks, a lot. And you are gonna extend the game.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:11 pm to Thacian
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What coach in america who "knows" baseball is teaching a "correct swing" in the instruction/progression in batting stations to swing at a ball this high?
Seems like a wise pitcher to find the spot in the strike zone per the rule book to pitch batters that can’t cover it all
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:11 pm to Thacian
Letters to knees.
Maybe mid chest to knees.
Belt to knees? That’s how you get 4 hr long games.
Belt to knees basically cuts the sone in half. Belt high is perfect location to smash and you think that’s the top of the zone?
Maybe mid chest to knees.
Belt to knees? That’s how you get 4 hr long games.
Belt to knees basically cuts the sone in half. Belt high is perfect location to smash and you think that’s the top of the zone?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:13 pm to Thacian
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what are you calling ? 9aa utrip?
Then that’s chins to shins
No body likes a walk fest in youth ball
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:14 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
And if you don't call anything above the belt, the kids aren't gonna swing at anything above the belt, thus, you.are gonna have walks, a lot. And you are gonna extend the game.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:15 pm to TheDeathValley
I don't do college. I want to eventually but I just don't have the time right now, especially w/me also doing football
Playoffs start here on Saturday.
Playoffs start here on Saturday.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:16 pm to Thacian
Laugh all you want, but obviously you like 4-hr.marathons.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:18 pm to Thacian
quote:
usually knees to the belt.
Major League Baseball disagrees with you.
quote:
The official strike zone is the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap. In order to get a strike call, part of the ball must cross over part of home plate while in the aforementioned area.
MLB.com Rules Page
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:24 pm to 9Fiddy
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area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants
So IOW, the letters, or just below.
Dude is getting his arse handed to him in his own thread.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:25 pm to Thacian
Moronic OP post, and obvious that you have never umpired baseball.
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