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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:59 am to 1999
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:59 am to 1999
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The F1 Explains pod did an episode on all the travel stuff a few weeks ago, really interesting if you get a chance.
Wendover productions on youtube did one a few years ago. really good stuff
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:03 am to TigerFanatic99
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Strikes me for a company like Oracle it's not the best avenue.
Oracle sponsors a lot of racing/sports stuff that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. But Larry Ellison is rich AF so whatever. Americas cup, F1, stunt planes, etc.
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:58 am to Lsut81
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I dunno... Ferrari, Mclaren, and especially Merc have started to show progress closing the gap
My only concern is that Red Bull didn't really bring an upgrade this year. They just raced last years car before upgrading to the car they had brought to pre-season testing sometime around Monaco.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:01 am to Hermit Crab
One wealthy exec in a decision making role might choose oracle because of the sponsorship. Arguably, a single 5 year deal with a midsize business and a company like oracle could be worth more than a bunch of “normies” buying a product like a speaker one time.
I see it.
I see it.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:20 pm to 1999
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I think checo is secure, but if he starts messing up next year, I could see a mid season change
I started watching this year, so what am I missing? Perez has clinchedsecond in driver points. What more are they looking for in dumping him? Do they think they are going to find someone who can do better than that not named Max Verstappen?
Is it worth paying more for a driver to finish 10 sec9nds behind Max everywhere instead of 17 seconds?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:24 pm to TigerFanatic99
They want someone who is going to help keep others away from the top.
I think it’s silly as the only way he can finish better is to beat max, but it’s not my call.
I think it’s silly as the only way he can finish better is to beat max, but it’s not my call.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:33 pm to TigerFanatic99
I suspect Checo stays too. Just a hunch. Not much else you can ask of him aside from qualify better and don’t wreck as much. He brings a lot of sponsor dollars and North American eyeballs
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:34 pm to TigerFanatic99
With Checo it's inconsistency and dumb mistakes from week to week. What Checo you're getting this week is an unknown and I like Checco.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:58 pm to TigerFanatic99
RBR assumes the other teams will be closer next year, so they want a stronger second driver. Yes he’s second in the drivers standings, but he’s getting absolutely destroyed by his teammate.
Danny was the closest teammate max had. It’s no coincidence he has the AT seat. If AT was truly the young driver team, then Liam would be there instead.
Danny was the closest teammate max had. It’s no coincidence he has the AT seat. If AT was truly the young driver team, then Liam would be there instead.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:36 pm to TigerFanatic99
Max has double the points of the next best non RB car, but Perez is only 41 points above that same car.
If other cars improve and/or Checo continues to get worse, 2nd place is in danger.
If other cars improve and/or Checo continues to get worse, 2nd place is in danger.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:53 pm to shel311
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2nd place is in danger.
Nobody gives a shite about 2nd, its all about the constructors.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:16 pm to Lsut81
Here are the points since the British gp when both Mclaren drivers had upgrades
Even when you add the top driver from Mclaren,Mercedes and Ferrari they still fall short of Red Bull.
Verstappen 320
Norris 171
Hamilton 126
Perez 125
Leclerc 116
Sainz 115
Russell 88
Piastri 84
Alonso 69
Red Bull 445
Mclaren 255
Ferrari 231
Mercedes 214
Aston Martin 98
Alpine 73
Since the Mclaren b spec upgrade at Singapore
Verstappen 185
Norris 116
Sainz 80
Leclerc 77
Hamilton 68
Perez 54
Piastri 53
Russell 51
Alonso 30
Red Bull 239
Mclaren 169
Ferrari 157
Mercedes 119
Aston Martin 56
Alpine 47
Perez is driving at the level of a rookie who hasn't driven on these race tracks before.
If he has a job next year he can thank Max.
Even when you add the top driver from Mclaren,Mercedes and Ferrari they still fall short of Red Bull.
Verstappen 320
Norris 171
Hamilton 126
Perez 125
Leclerc 116
Sainz 115
Russell 88
Piastri 84
Alonso 69
Red Bull 445
Mclaren 255
Ferrari 231
Mercedes 214
Aston Martin 98
Alpine 73
Since the Mclaren b spec upgrade at Singapore
Verstappen 185
Norris 116
Sainz 80
Leclerc 77
Hamilton 68
Perez 54
Piastri 53
Russell 51
Alonso 30
Red Bull 239
Mclaren 169
Ferrari 157
Mercedes 119
Aston Martin 56
Alpine 47
Perez is driving at the level of a rookie who hasn't driven on these race tracks before.
If he has a job next year he can thank Max.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:01 am to bonstonker
The people saying Perez is good enough are assuming RB maintains it's vast superiority next year.
The likelihood of Max winning 15+ races next year is rather remote. And Perez dicking around back in the midfield will leave the constructors up for grabs.
The likelihood of Max winning 15+ races next year is rather remote. And Perez dicking around back in the midfield will leave the constructors up for grabs.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:34 am to BuckyCheese
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The people saying Perez is good enough are assuming RB maintains it's vast superiority next yea
Exactly... RBR captured lightening in a bottle this year for Max. The other teams have started to get in line and get more competetive and if Max falls back slightly, Perez isnt going to be able to carry the water for the constructors.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:08 am to Lsut81
Fun tit for tat this morning. Rumors Hamilton was caught sliding into RBR's DMs about next year.
He, of course, is denying it. Really makes me wonder how much Hamilton could push Max in a RB car though.
He, of course, is denying it. Really makes me wonder how much Hamilton could push Max in a RB car though.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:08 am to TigerFanatic99
Just saw Hamilton saying he has t spoken to Christian in years… report says he’s the one that said Hamilton reached out.
Would be odd for Christian to say unless true.
Would be odd for Christian to say unless true.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:14 pm to Lsut81
Yeah, Horner has never been known to be a shite stirrer. 
I would imagine they had talks, whoever reached out to who is irrelevant. Any top flight driver (or even Newey) is going to have a backup plan and drive their price up.
I would imagine they had talks, whoever reached out to who is irrelevant. Any top flight driver (or even Newey) is going to have a backup plan and drive their price up.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:16 pm to Lsut81
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Just saw Hamilton saying he has t spoken to Christian in years… report says he’s the one that said Hamilton reached out.
I guess after Hamilton denied it Horner came back and said it was Hamilton's father who reached out to RB.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:15 pm to TigerFanatic99
lol Christian trolling merc is my favorite pastime.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:28 pm to TigerFanatic99
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I started watching this year, so what am I missing? Perez has clinchedsecond in driver points. What more are they looking for in dumping him? Do they think they are going to find someone who can do better than that not named Max Verstappen?
Nico Rosberg won it as hamilton’s teammate a few years back so maybe….. otherwise Ham would already have 8 titles. Hard to fathom that Ham could easily have 10 or 11 titles. I think it is amusing because he is British. People think Americans are racist! I’m sure Lewis doesn’t get the credit he deserves in the UK. They should be proud of him! I know I am… and I’m a white American “petrol head” LOL
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