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Wall Street Journal - 100k not enough anymore for home ownership
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:47 am
100k income is no longer enough for many to buy houses, and we're not talking about New York and San Fran. The article highlights middle America.
Here's the article for subscribers
"Bought" my first house making 38k/year...have never had any difficulty paying for it.
Is that bragging? I sure as hell hope not!
Here's the article for subscribers
quote:
A $100,000 income is still comfortably in excess of the median U.S. household income, which was $63,179 in 2018, according to the Census Bureau. But many Americans these days are mired in debt. They have car payments, credit-card debt, health-care bills and college loans. Student debt is particularly vexing for the younger Americans who are starting families.
"Bought" my first house making 38k/year...have never had any difficulty paying for it.
Is that bragging? I sure as hell hope not!
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:04 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
"Bought" my first house making 38k/year...have never had any difficulty paying for it.
Is that bragging? I sure as hell hope not!
Nope. Did the same. I was 25 when I bought mine. About 2 years out of college, only making maybe 38-39k at the time. Never missed a payment and continually built up savings and retirement.
I think many people are just bad at managing money, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:17 pm to bayoubengals88
If bet your first house wasn’t 4 beds 3 baths with marble and tile everything and 3000 sq ft.
People spend too much on housing.
People spend too much on housing.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:19 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:
People spend too much on housing.
Yep. People don't want your 1500 sq ft starter home anymore.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:27 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
Yep. People don't want your 1500 sq ft starter home anymore.
I am excited for a starter home. A decade of apartments makes 1500-1800 sq ft feel massive
Already planting the idea with my SO...smaller home with nice features at a price point that is highly manageable for us. We could afford much larger but there isn't any reason for it in my mind.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:30 pm to bayoubengals88
I make in the 60s thousand a year, 4 kids, stay at home wife. Owned a house for 10 years now, approximate 185k. My note is less than a 55k trailer I use to own in the country. Granted yearly property taxes and insurance are higher. Vehicles paid off, hunt public land, kids in public school and they all prefer that, we still do one big (well big to us) vacation a year, and several small trips a year. One kid has grown up and moved out so technically 3 kids now albeit she still eats with us many nights a week.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:32 pm to bayoubengals88
The median home selling price where I live in Tennessee is ~550k.
So no $100,000/year (for a family) won't do it.
So no $100,000/year (for a family) won't do it.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:43 pm to bayoubengals88
Unfortunately I belive it is true. Too many have crazy student debt, at least 2 car loans, $300/month cell phone bills, $900/month eating out bills, etc.
It takes discipline to own a home on $100k these days compared to what most are doing.
It takes discipline to own a home on $100k these days compared to what most are doing.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:43 pm to windshieldman
quote:When I hear stuff like this, it makes me realize that I am horrible with money
I make in the 60s thousand a year, 4 kids, stay at home wife.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:59 pm to frankthetank
quote:
The median home selling price where I live in Tennessee is ~550k.
So no $100,000/year (for a family) won't do it.
There's only a handful of neighborhoods in the entire south like this though. Where does your plumber live?
My wife is from Nashville, there's plenty of places for people to live with sub $300k homes in good enough school districts that are within 30 minutes without traffic of downtown.
The issue is that your average new development home is 2400 sq ft with all the fixings. So many people are buying their "dream" home as their first home. Its laughable how many friends I have that bought a super nice home as their first home and then within 2 years are already looking to upgrade.
Meanwhile their savings are shite, still have student loans, and barely making retirement contributions.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 1:09 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:Yeah you're right. It's 1,440 sq ft. and I'm still in it over 4 years later
If bet your first house wasn’t 4 beds 3 baths with marble and tile everything and 3000 sq ft.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 1:12 pm to frankthetank
quote:But I bet they can go 30 minutes away from you and find a nice house for 225k
The median home selling price where I live in Tennessee is ~550k.
So no $100,000/year (for a family) won't do it.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 1:13 pm to baldona
quote:Exactly. That's just stupid.
The issue is that your average new development home is 2400 sq ft with all the fixings. So many people are buying their "dream" home as their first home. Its laughable how many friends I have that bought a super nice home as their first home and then within 2 years are already looking to upgrade.
quote:The article mentioned that the average renter who can't afford a house has a net worth of $5,500.
Meanwhile their savings are shite, still have student loans, and barely making retirement contributions.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 3:54 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:
If bet your first house wasn’t 4 beds 3 baths with marble and tile everything and 3000 sq ft. People spend too much on housing.
The supply of "starter" homes is very low most urban and suburban places. Those starter homes have all been torn down and replaced with mini-mansions.
Even then, the small houses can still be quite expensive depending on the area. In my hood, it will cost you about 300-350k for a 1500 sqft home.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:27 pm to bayoubengals88
My first home cost $39k. I was making like $7/hour when I bought it.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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The supply of "starter" homes is very low most urban and suburban places.
I know I just sold the one I bought in 2000. It’s value went to shite from 2008-2017.i tosses my renters, I put it on the market, without even repairing or doing anything to it..had like 40 showings and a half dozen solid offers in 2 days.
I didn’t “make” anything really (despite a big check at closing) but am glad to be done being a landlord.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:40 pm to bayoubengals88
Article is spot on. $100K income, even if you are single with little debt, doesn't go very far unless you're o.k. with an exurb and 2 hour commute. Or being house poor.
Add in kids, other debts, and wanting a good school district, and you're certainly SOL at $100K.
There is a price bubble though, with cheap money for the last 10 years and cash buyers (many foreign) driving prices up.
Add in kids, other debts, and wanting a good school district, and you're certainly SOL at $100K.
There is a price bubble though, with cheap money for the last 10 years and cash buyers (many foreign) driving prices up.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:41 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:
I didn’t “make” anything really (despite a big check at closing) but am glad to be done being a landlord.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:47 pm to bayoubengals88
Never wanted to be a landlord. House was getting to the point everything needed replacing (roof/ac/appliances/water heater). I got a fat check over and above what I owed, but looking back over the 20 years I owned it I didn’t profit greatly. I’d have sold it in 2008 when I inherited the house I live in, but it was worth half what I owed then.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The ones I’m eyeing are as you describe. $305K for 1800 sq ft, nice amenities, in good school district, and a reasonable suburb location.
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