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re: Trump tells Fed to cut rates or he'll end trade with countries who have a trade surplus

Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
2064 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:10 pm to
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It’s almost as if some people have never heard of the term bully pulpit.


If you're going to use the bully pulpit at least make it realistic.
The Fed will not cut rates and this is going to be another TACO moment.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50961 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

It’s almost as if some people have never heard of the term bully pulpit.
quote:

Trump: We could do tremendous good for ourselves by just not trading with countries.. We lose with Mexico $195 billion a year. They have nothing that we have to have, I mean. Hot tamales, tomatoes, a couple of things

as I was saying, galactic stupidity
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36345 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 7:27 pm to
Inflation is one of the biggest problems we have right now. So his solution is to…cause more inflation?



With the current numbers the fed should have already raised rates. This is beyond dumb. Like third grade special needs dumb.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1871 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 8:06 pm to
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. This is beyond dumb.


Everyone knows we can not grow our way out of 40 trillion in debt.
Everyone knows congress will never stop spending borrowed money.

If inflation is not the solution, what do you suggest?
Posted by dblwall
Member since Jul 2017
2023 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 9:40 pm to
He's not use to people telling him no.
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
5425 posts
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:01 pm to
Since Scott would do it much better than I would, I asked ChatGPT to pretend to be Scott Adams and give us what his analysis might be given his published works and prior political commentary.

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Everyone is analyzing Trump's post like it's an economics paper.

Wrong filter.

Trump starts at the extreme, creates the anchor, and makes everyone argue inside his frame.

Yesterday: Should the Fed raise rates?

Today: Should rates be lower, can Trump pressure the Fed, and what leverage does he have?

That doesn't mean the literal threat is good policy or that he'll carry it out.

The real question is whether it moves anyone.

If the Fed holds instead of hikes, Trump claims movement. If rates later fall, he claims a win.

The only real problem is credibility.

So don't ask, "Would he really stop trading with Mexico?"

Ask, "Did he move the frame, or make a threat nobody believes?"

Posted by Tiger4life306
Member since Apr 2016
889 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 5:36 am to
In agreement this will be another TACO moment, but he will probably find another body of water after this that needs to be renamed to really show everybody who’s boss
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
55073 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 7:32 am to
Need to raise rates
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
2064 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 8:03 am to
Or it may be as simple as others have posted- he's a toddler having a temper tantrum.
quote:

Everyone is analyzing Trump's post like it's an economics paper.

Wrong filter.

Trump starts at the extreme, creates the anchor, and makes everyone argue inside his frame.

Yesterday: Should the Fed raise rates?

Today: Should rates be lower, can Trump pressure the Fed, and what leverage does he have?

That doesn't mean the literal threat is good policy or that he'll carry it out.

The real question is whether it moves anyone.

If the Fed holds instead of hikes, Trump claims movement. If rates later fall, he claims a win.

The only real problem is credibility.

So don't ask, "Would he really stop trading with Mexico?"

Ask, "Did he move the frame, or make a threat nobody believes?"
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
5425 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 8:12 am to
The question is did he move the frame? We know he's made you and many others highly emotional. I hope he's done both.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
2064 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 8:56 am to
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The question is did he move the frame?


There is no frame to move. The Fed is not lowering rates in the near future and if inflation numbers come in hot this month they'll have little choice but to hike rates.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8180 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 9:18 am to
You guys think the fed controls rates but the bond market controls rates.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60409 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 9:43 am to
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Everything points to the need to raise rates...

So he is pulling out the stops to keep it from happening


I have to wonder if this isn't just a positioning statement. He's smart enough to know how rates and inflation work so he also has to know there is little chance they get lowered.

If the economy continues to putter along he can couch it as "we would be doing better if they lowered rates." If the economy starts losing steam he can respond with "we would be better if they would listen to me and lower rates." If the economy improves, he can stance it as "and this was with high rates, imagine how much better we would be doing if they would listen to me and lower rates."

It's a rhetorical no-lose scenario.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1871 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 10:01 am to
The long term effects of AI et al is dis inflationary also the long term effects on gasoline prices from the Venezuela and Iran conflicts will be dramatically lower fuel prices in the USA..which is disinflationary.
Inflation is coming down long term.
Stop believing the propaganda from the deep state media left wing devils whose only goal is to destroy this country.
This post was edited on 9/5/26 at 10:03 am
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
5425 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 10:48 am to
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There is no frame to move.
There is always a frame to move.
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
5425 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 10:48 am to
quote:


You guys think the fed controls rates but the bond market controls rates.
I'm all for the bond vigilantes spanking everyone's arse, but they don't do it hard enough or often enough.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
60409 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 11:58 am to
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The long term effects of AI et al is dis inflationary


Sort of. There's still the problem of too much money in the economy. Mass producing things of value can lower the value of that item or items, but the impact of too much currency just concentrates the inflationary pressures into other areas.

But before we even get to that point, we have to define what "long term" means. Is it 5 years? 10? 69 ? After that, we still have to deal with what happens in the interim. It's great if AI and robotics end up creating a post-scarcity society (well, great in some aspects but that's a different topic) but we are nowhere even close to that and there are a LOT of hurdles to deal with before we get there and the first is the current sticky inflation and the runaway spending causing it.

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also the long term effects on gasoline prices from the Venezuela and Iran conflicts will be dramatically lower fuel prices in the USA..which is disinflationary.


Agreed, but what about until then? Trump seems to be dragging his feet on doing the necessary (full-scale invasion) to bring Iran to heel and estimates are that Venezuela's contributions won't have an impact for at least the next 3-5 years.

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Inflation is coming down long term.


We're agreed on that, but it won't happen if we don't focus on what's happening now. We're pretty much a minor black swan event from a massive economic drop because we never really dealt with the fallout of the GFC and then have just fueled it since COVID.

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Stop believing the propaganda from the deep state media left wing devils whose only goal is to destroy this country.


You've obviously not read much of what I've posted on the various forums here. It's understandable as there are so many posters and so many boards, but I'll TL;DR it for you by saying you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
9470 posts
Posted on 9/5/26 at 12:47 pm to
He's just throwing another one of his temper tantrums because he doesn't get this way.

1st: A blanket cutoff of trade with every country where the U.S. has a deficit was not approved by that decision and would raise substantial legal questions.

2nd: Federal Reserve independence matters because interest-rate decisions should be based on inflation, employment and economic conditions—not short-term political pressure. Congress sets the Fed’s goals, but gives it operational independence while still requiring accountability.
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