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re: Teachers of Money Talk - or husbands of teachers like me
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:41 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:41 pm to buckeye_vol
I agree on the free market point but many private jobs also have barriers to entry.
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:28 pm to nated14
I will say this, I do believe teachers in certain areas need to be compensated more. I think there is an unappreciated value in teaching. However, the school system has learned to work the system with step pay and what not. Teachers get in wanting to change lives, the other bullshite is why the burnout rate is 3 years.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:41 pm to KG6
Yes, retirement is a plus. Mine is pretty good and I work a part time job 2 days a week and bring home as much as I was bringing before I retired. It’s not just the pay though. It is definitely a tough job. Kids and parents are not anything like they were my first 10 years of teaching. NO respect at all for teachers, and I was in a rural community with few discipline issues. Most of my peers couldn’t wait to retire. I just read an article that stated there has been a 17% decline in students graduating in teaching.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 9:05 pm to whg335
There is a decline in teaching across the board. A lot has to do with the pay. I wish they would raise the pay to attract more qualified applicants. Take those people who do it just for summers off out as they usually do just the minimum to get by.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 1:00 am to yellowfin
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41,500 in Lafayette for a first year teacher. Based on 10 month work year so 49,800 annually. So say both spouses are teachers and that puts household income at 99,600. That puts them in the top 20% of households in the state of Louisiana as first year teachers at 23 years old
And with a state paid retirement funded mostly by taxpayers
Posted on 4/12/19 at 7:20 am to LSUFanHouston
Just now seeing this. Then mean (resource bls) between nursing is about 10k. When you factor in overtime/time off, that is comparable. If a teacher wants more money, they have the option to work summers. You are emotional about teachers being important. I am similar to OP. Wife has a under and masters degree in teaching. 13 years in. I am a big proponent for teachers. I get rustled when talk of changing the retirement system. However, I also work in the engineering/construction industry. I know what these guys make. The only ones who have a higher W2 are the jobs that risk to health is very high. For the time worked and responsibility, teachers are paid very well.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:27 am to AUCE05
Nursing is by no means an apple to apple comparison. Most nurses work 12 hour shifts. A HUGE benefit to teachers is the schedule, especially for someone with school age kids. It’s an extremely doable career with kids. Thats worth a ton. Nursing on the other hand certainly can be very doable with kids but it’s very different. Many M-F 8 hour shift nursing jobs pay considerably under the mean because the demand for the schedule allows it.
Also, there’s a huge difference between talking about Louisiana teachers being the lowest paid in the country and all teachers being underpaid. Like any job, you can’t complain about the pay if there are better options elsewhere but you don’t want to move. Louisiana generally speaking undervalued education.
Also, there’s a huge difference between talking about Louisiana teachers being the lowest paid in the country and all teachers being underpaid. Like any job, you can’t complain about the pay if there are better options elsewhere but you don’t want to move. Louisiana generally speaking undervalued education.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:30 am to baldona
I agree on schedule. Teaching is a better job, IMO. However, there is a myth that nurses make a lot more than teachers, and that is not true.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:30 am to AUCE05
I don’t think it’s unfair to say that a teacher with a master’s degree can go and make $60k in multiple low Cola areas across the country. I don’t see how much we can pay them to where this argument disappears? $75k? I’d like to see some numbers thrown out but I don’t see this argument ever ending.
Mid $40s with 10 years of experience and a masters is terrible, I certainly agree. But sometimes in life, it’s a lot easier and better to make your point by walking away and finding your happiness in another location over fighting for the cause locally. If enough teachers move away, it forces a change.
Mid $40s with 10 years of experience and a masters is terrible, I certainly agree. But sometimes in life, it’s a lot easier and better to make your point by walking away and finding your happiness in another location over fighting for the cause locally. If enough teachers move away, it forces a change.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:08 am to Ford Frenzy
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Based on 10 month work year so 49,800 annually.
This is faulty. They aren't getting $49,800 annually, they are getting $41,500 a year.
If you gave teachers a choice between the two months off or work for two months and get the extra $8,300, most would choose the work and the pay. But most don't get that choice.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:09 am to AUCE05
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If a teacher wants more money, they have the option to work summers.
Some teachers are given the option to work summer school, not all, as all aren't needed, and that's only part of the summer.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:15 am to AUCE05
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However, there is a myth that nurses make a lot more than teachers, and that is not true.
I see a lot of W-2s in my line of work.
Registered Nurses can negotiate a higher salary, and they can work additional shifts for even higher pay - often at overtime rates. Teachers can't negotiate higher pay, they can't ask for additional shifts, and they sure AF aren't getting overtime for those additional shifts.
Further, every nurse I know - outside of managers - get paid hourly and OT, teachers don't.
A good registered nurse has a much higher pay potential than a good teacher.
Now if you are talking LPNs, then yeah, they get paid less. they also have less education.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 1:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Based on 10 month work year so 49,800 annually.
This is faulty. They aren't getting $49,800 annually, they are getting $41,500 a year.
If you gave teachers a choice between the two months off or work for two months and get the extra $8,300, most would choose the work and the pay. But most don't get that choice.
That’s like saying I get paid $65k per year based on 40 hours per week so that’s about $289k if I work 24 hours per day per year.
It’s like when people asked me what a teacher makes per hour I divided the whole year based on 35 hour work weeks, not just the hours kids were in the classroom.
Which I think most teachers (every state I’ve been in) actually teach 5 hours a day, 180 days a year. Obviously there are things like sick days, school trips, sporting events, jury duty, and etc that subtract from the 180 days.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 1:21 am to baldona
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Also, if you are teaching elementary you shouldn’t make more for a masters as it’s really not doing anything for the students.
This might be one of the dumbest and least informed comments I’ve ever heard in my life.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 6:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
LINK
See link for teacher shortage info
If teachers even made what daycare centers make to babysit they would rack in over $100 grand. At a minimum teachers are responsible for 22-34 students per day. Take the average of 28 . Multiply that by $25 dollars a day, (which is the minimum a daycare would charge) that’s $700 a day. In Louisiana students are in class 178 days a year. That’s $124,600.00 a year. That’s just for babysitting, not teaching them anything. Although I know most daycares do have instructional programs
See link for teacher shortage info
If teachers even made what daycare centers make to babysit they would rack in over $100 grand. At a minimum teachers are responsible for 22-34 students per day. Take the average of 28 . Multiply that by $25 dollars a day, (which is the minimum a daycare would charge) that’s $700 a day. In Louisiana students are in class 178 days a year. That’s $124,600.00 a year. That’s just for babysitting, not teaching them anything. Although I know most daycares do have instructional programs
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 4/14/19 at 6:12 pm to nated14
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[Some districts may have shortages but that’s more than likely due to the location. If an inner city hospital has a shortage of doctors is it because they don’t make good money? I can’t imagine how much being a garbage collector sucks but imagine if NOBODY took their place when they left and the fallout residentially. Supply and demand works for employment too. If there was an actual shortage and actual need it would regulate accordingly. That’s true for engineering too.]
Not quite how it works. An uncertified engineer can’t get an engineer job or non certified nurse can’t be a nurse, uncertified teachers can get a teaching job.
[Some districts may have shortages but that’s more than likely due to the location. If an inner city hospital has a shortage of doctors is it because they don’t make good money? I can’t imagine how much being a garbage collector sucks but imagine if NOBODY took their place when they left and the fallout residentially. Supply and demand works for employment too. If there was an actual shortage and actual need it would regulate accordingly. That’s true for engineering too.]
Not quite how it works. An uncertified engineer can’t get an engineer job or non certified nurse can’t be a nurse, uncertified teachers can get a teaching job.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:59 am to whg335
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If teachers even made what daycare centers make to babysit they would rack in over $100 grand.
When daycare centers charge, not only are they paying the teacher, but they are paying all the overhead, the building, supplies, materials, insurance, utilities, etc.
In addition, most day care centers are for-profit enterprises. And in fact, they tend to be VERRRY profitable for the owner - who may or may not actually be actively working in the business.
I once had a client who owned like 7 daycare centers in Houston. He spent maybe 2 hours a week at each one, just checking on things and looking at the books. His netprofit averaged $900,000 a year.
Most of the "teachers" were making approx $10 an hour.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 2:36 pm to whg335
What does that comment have to do with supply and demand? In LA non-education degreed people can earn teacher pay while working towards their teaching degree. Well at least in our parish. If the amount of certified teachers declined then either restrictions would ease or changes would be made to entice more candidates into the pool. I’m an engineer with an engineering degree but not a PE.....2 of the 4 engineers who work with me are PEs and the other two are not. They make about the same salary and raises are given on performance.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:35 pm to whg335
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In Louisiana students are in class 178 days a year
178 X 8 hours a day = 1424 hours worked per year
$41,500/1424= $29.14 per hour
+ defined benefit pension plan
+ lifetime cheap health insurance paid 75% by the state
+ plenty of sick and annual leave
+ 2 months of summer vacation
+ 2 weeks at Christmas, 1 week spring break, 1 week miscellaneous holidays.
Other jobs paying $29.14 for 51 weeks work(1 week vacation)
29.14 X 2040 hours = $ 59,445.60 per year. I think teachers are overpaid now, and most are underperforming as well.
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