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Saving for First Home
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:33 pm
I am looking to buy my first home in the coming years in the BR area. Appreciate any kind of advice here.
What should I look out for?
How did you save for your first down payment? (HYSA or invest/sell when ready?)
Tips for first time home buyers?
Mortgage lenders? Anything to be cautious of?
Tips for negotiating selling price/closing costs?
What should I look out for?
How did you save for your first down payment? (HYSA or invest/sell when ready?)
Tips for first time home buyers?
Mortgage lenders? Anything to be cautious of?
Tips for negotiating selling price/closing costs?
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:36 pm to MikelArteta
I'll just say good luck. I can't imagine trying to buy my first home at this point in time. I feel for you. High prices and high interest.
Are you looking in town or on the outskirts of town? City water, sewage etc. . . If it's on a well, chime in and I'll tell you what I've learned there.
What kind of internet and tv providers are in the area. My current house only has line of sight internet and it is sucky. We are also on a co-op for electricity. The co-op is a monopoly in my area but in all reality it's basically the same as previous houses where we had the "power to choose".
I refuse to live in an HOA. Some value it, some don't. If you're looking non-hoa, evaluate the neighbors yards and see what kind of impression they make.
When I bought my first home, I told the realtor I wanted mostly brick and minimal siding. Siding just always seems to look like hell after a few years and is a maintenance item. I also said I wanted mature trees. She found a house with like 5% siding and about 15 mature trees on a quarter acre lot. My entire house was in the shade all day, but grass absolutely wouldn't grow anywhere.
Focus on the high cost centers. An old failing AC is more important than a scratch or ding in the wall. If the AC is old, try to negotiate there. Have the foundation checked to make sure there's no settling. Ask the inspector about the electrical if it's up to code or how bad it is. Aluminum wiring means redoing all of the wiring to bring it up to code. You aren't obligated to do this, but the next buyer could very well make it your problem. Asphalt shingles are the other high cost repair to houses. Find out how old that is.
I hated the floor plan in my first two houses. I didn't realize how much I hated it until I moved in. If this is important to you, spend some time in the house.
I drove to the neighborhoods multiple times while debating an offer to see what the traffic was like at various times of the day.
ETA: There was a poster here recently that ran into drainage issues. Might also have that checked. I'm not familiar with anything in Louisiana but I know there is a lot of low lying areas there.
Are you looking in town or on the outskirts of town? City water, sewage etc. . . If it's on a well, chime in and I'll tell you what I've learned there.
What kind of internet and tv providers are in the area. My current house only has line of sight internet and it is sucky. We are also on a co-op for electricity. The co-op is a monopoly in my area but in all reality it's basically the same as previous houses where we had the "power to choose".
I refuse to live in an HOA. Some value it, some don't. If you're looking non-hoa, evaluate the neighbors yards and see what kind of impression they make.
When I bought my first home, I told the realtor I wanted mostly brick and minimal siding. Siding just always seems to look like hell after a few years and is a maintenance item. I also said I wanted mature trees. She found a house with like 5% siding and about 15 mature trees on a quarter acre lot. My entire house was in the shade all day, but grass absolutely wouldn't grow anywhere.
Focus on the high cost centers. An old failing AC is more important than a scratch or ding in the wall. If the AC is old, try to negotiate there. Have the foundation checked to make sure there's no settling. Ask the inspector about the electrical if it's up to code or how bad it is. Aluminum wiring means redoing all of the wiring to bring it up to code. You aren't obligated to do this, but the next buyer could very well make it your problem. Asphalt shingles are the other high cost repair to houses. Find out how old that is.
I hated the floor plan in my first two houses. I didn't realize how much I hated it until I moved in. If this is important to you, spend some time in the house.
I drove to the neighborhoods multiple times while debating an offer to see what the traffic was like at various times of the day.
ETA: There was a poster here recently that ran into drainage issues. Might also have that checked. I'm not familiar with anything in Louisiana but I know there is a lot of low lying areas there.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 6:06 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
My advice is to buy an older home. Think 1960s and 70’s. New build quality sucks and won’t last. By the cheapest house in the nicest neighborhood you can afford and watch the value skyrocket. Fix it up slowly and to what you want. Don’t pay for a flipped house since it was done as cheaply as possible
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:16 pm to MikelArteta
Clear the decks of any consumer debt like car payments, student loans etc. and push to boost income.
When you can start chunking your new house payment including insurance and taxes less rental payments you may currently have you should be ready.
If you do plan to pay off your mortgage early get a 30 year note and pay it off faster but you will have a smaller required payment if your circumstances change. I do appreciate the idea of owning the house and not letting the house own you. We had a few hairy years where I was not as comfortable as I would have like with high payments. Our interest rate environment allowed us to refiance from an original 5.75 to 4 and evetually to 2 percent and each time I was refiancing a smaller amount into a 30 year payback tine frame. 5 or 6 years later between paying the loan down faster and lowering the interest we were able to cut our loan payment in half giving a lot more breathing room in case something went south with employment etc.
Last piece of advice is learn as many skills as you can for DIY. You can save a lot of dough if you can repair a rotting door jamb, change an AC capacitor, or even change your own oil in your car.
When you can start chunking your new house payment including insurance and taxes less rental payments you may currently have you should be ready.
If you do plan to pay off your mortgage early get a 30 year note and pay it off faster but you will have a smaller required payment if your circumstances change. I do appreciate the idea of owning the house and not letting the house own you. We had a few hairy years where I was not as comfortable as I would have like with high payments. Our interest rate environment allowed us to refiance from an original 5.75 to 4 and evetually to 2 percent and each time I was refiancing a smaller amount into a 30 year payback tine frame. 5 or 6 years later between paying the loan down faster and lowering the interest we were able to cut our loan payment in half giving a lot more breathing room in case something went south with employment etc.
Last piece of advice is learn as many skills as you can for DIY. You can save a lot of dough if you can repair a rotting door jamb, change an AC capacitor, or even change your own oil in your car.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:17 am to MikelArteta
I suggest HYSA for saving the down payment. Rates are decent these days, and you are looking at a short term relative to the stock market, which could wipe out your dream.
Make it a strong goal to save up enough for a 20% down payment to avoid private mortgage insurance (PMI). It is a big expense that gives you nothing in return, so best to avoid it if at all possible.
Get the owner's title policy (the mortgage company will make you get a lender's policy to cover them; the owner's covers you for a little more money) at closing. Some scoff at the expense, but there was a recent post here about a lawyer missing some liens in a title search on the property that may turn into an expensive legal matter, where title insurance would have covered it.
Make it a strong goal to save up enough for a 20% down payment to avoid private mortgage insurance (PMI). It is a big expense that gives you nothing in return, so best to avoid it if at all possible.
Get the owner's title policy (the mortgage company will make you get a lender's policy to cover them; the owner's covers you for a little more money) at closing. Some scoff at the expense, but there was a recent post here about a lawyer missing some liens in a title search on the property that may turn into an expensive legal matter, where title insurance would have covered it.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:31 am to MikelArteta
For future resale reasons, research a residence within the better school districts.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:41 am to MikelArteta
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How did you save for your first down payment? (HYSA or invest/sell when ready?)
Tips for first time home buyers?
We did a Power Purchase loan through Neighbors FCU. No downpayment required, no PMI, but they add 0.75% to the rate (so basically PMI).
Plan is to refinance at least by the time that PMI would have dropped.
Eta: max loan is $300k so that might not be a great option in this market. Other hard requirement is less than a 40% debt-to-income ratio.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 7:01 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:53 am to MikelArteta
We bought our first home in 1999, and we had to use PMI. It wasn't the end of the world, and it got us in the house so we could start making babies. Rates were not low at the time either...I think our first rate was 8.5%. We moved 5 years later and we refinanced several times over the years, eventually to a 15 year, which will be payed off in a little of 2 years. The 15 year will have saved us over 100K of interest payments.
Shop around for rates.
Selling price...if things are found in the inspection, don't hesitate to ask things get fixed. When we moved into our second house, the inspector suspected water issues in the basement. We opted (I suppose because we didn't want to risk losing the sell) to not pursue, and sure enough we had to spend about 8K a few years later to get things waterproofed. If nothing else, we should have at least asked to split the cost. If I ever move again, I will not make that mistake. Especially when the seller is potentially making hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Shop around for rates.
Selling price...if things are found in the inspection, don't hesitate to ask things get fixed. When we moved into our second house, the inspector suspected water issues in the basement. We opted (I suppose because we didn't want to risk losing the sell) to not pursue, and sure enough we had to spend about 8K a few years later to get things waterproofed. If nothing else, we should have at least asked to split the cost. If I ever move again, I will not make that mistake. Especially when the seller is potentially making hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:20 am to KamaCausey_LSU
If you're looking in the BR area, I strongly recommend the Kenilworth/ Magnolia Woods area. Most homes built in the 60s/70s, established trees, decent sized lots, within 10 minutes of 3 solid Catholic schools (St. Jude, St. George, St. Aloysius), and in the priority zone for Mayfair Lab School if you have kids that are able to go the magnet school route.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:40 am to MikelArteta
Don't skimp on having a thorough inspection done before closing. Pay for the plumbing inspection too. Better to find any issues on the front end so you can decide whether to back out of the deal or use for negotiation leverage with the seller than to be surprised when you have an expensive repair bill on something shortly after closing.
Look at school districts. Even if you don't have or plan to have kids, it'll help your resale value down the road.
Check flood zone and ask about any previous history of flooding.
Look for houses with newer roofs because having to replace a roof is an expensive maintenance item and older roofs will limit your insurance options.
Budget for maintenance and repairs. A lot of people stretch their budget to buy the nicest house they can qualify for a mortgage on, but they don't leave any cushion in the budget for maintenance and repairs. AC units go out, water heaters need replacing, appliances break, roofs need to be changed at 20-25 years (assuming a storm doesn't damage it first), insurance claims have deductibles. Home ownership costs are more than just the mortgage payment and utility bills.
Look at school districts. Even if you don't have or plan to have kids, it'll help your resale value down the road.
Check flood zone and ask about any previous history of flooding.
Look for houses with newer roofs because having to replace a roof is an expensive maintenance item and older roofs will limit your insurance options.
Budget for maintenance and repairs. A lot of people stretch their budget to buy the nicest house they can qualify for a mortgage on, but they don't leave any cushion in the budget for maintenance and repairs. AC units go out, water heaters need replacing, appliances break, roofs need to be changed at 20-25 years (assuming a storm doesn't damage it first), insurance claims have deductibles. Home ownership costs are more than just the mortgage payment and utility bills.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:25 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I am hoping and praying interest rates and home prices calm down in the coming years. Everything seems nearly impossible to manage, especially for what you get at current prices.
My plan going forward is to save enough for a 20% down payment on a $250k house within the next 4-5 years. I've been renting ever since graduating college and hate that my money is basically just being wasted paying a landlord.
Can anyone shed light on pros/cons of a FHA loan? I'm not educated on FHA loans and will be doing some research. Just curious if anyone here has ever done FHA.
My plan going forward is to save enough for a 20% down payment on a $250k house within the next 4-5 years. I've been renting ever since graduating college and hate that my money is basically just being wasted paying a landlord.
Can anyone shed light on pros/cons of a FHA loan? I'm not educated on FHA loans and will be doing some research. Just curious if anyone here has ever done FHA.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:48 pm to MikelArteta
FHA makes it easier to buy a home by reducing the down payment. I would buy asap through FHA if down payment is the main hurdle
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:27 pm to tigerbacon
That is the only advantage if I'm understanding it correctly. Smaller down payment in return for a larger monthly note.
I'd rather pay a larger down payment to establish more equity in the home from the get go and also have a reduced monthly mortgage payment. Larger down payment also reduces the total paid in interest drastically I would imagine.
I'd rather pay a larger down payment to establish more equity in the home from the get go and also have a reduced monthly mortgage payment. Larger down payment also reduces the total paid in interest drastically I would imagine.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:44 pm to MikelArteta
There are qualification requirements for FHA. I forget the context but if you've never bought a home, you'll qualify. The downside is mortgage premiums but you'll have that even with a conventional loan.
And I agree with buying as soon as you're comfortable personally. If mortgage rates go down, home prices are likely to go up. If you buy while interest rates are high, you may have some leverage while making an offer on a house currently. If rates come down, you lose that leverage. You can always refinance if rates go down, but you can't renegotiate the principal ever. If rates go up, you bought at a cheaper time than in the future.
Just my $.02 on the matter.
And I agree with buying as soon as you're comfortable personally. If mortgage rates go down, home prices are likely to go up. If you buy while interest rates are high, you may have some leverage while making an offer on a house currently. If rates come down, you lose that leverage. You can always refinance if rates go down, but you can't renegotiate the principal ever. If rates go up, you bought at a cheaper time than in the future.
Just my $.02 on the matter.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:59 pm to MikelArteta
Good luck. My wife and I went an unconventional route - married with a child and moved in with our in-laws for a couple of years, followed by buying a smaller condo (below our means to continue saving and definitely not ideal with kids) after we found out we were pregnant with number 2, we bought a condo and lived there for 2 years and we’ve just closed on a house that we’re moving into next week.
Not the easy route (who wants to live with parents in your late 20s with a kid) but now that we’re in the house we’re in it was definitely worth it. Biggest advice is honestly to cut your big expenses- think rent, car loans, etc. as much as you can and then be diligent in your savings. In the 5 years that we saved, there were only 2-3 months that we didn’t hit our savings goal (and it was pretty aggressive). Honestly pretty proud of ourselves.
We put everything in a HYSA - wish we’d just stuck it all in the stock market (easy to say now with how it’s steadily gone up). This will really depend on y’all’s timeline - is it 1 year or 5?
As far as the house buying process itself - I hated it, it’s not fun, it’s stressful. I’d definitely recommend going to see a number of different houses before you buy (even go before you plan to buy) just to learn what you like/dislike and when you have that figured out then stick to your guns - in the 5 months we searched we only put an offer on 2 houses, missed out on the first one and got the second and we probably looked at 20 houses (first 7-8 was our realtor pushing us to look at a lot just for us to get a feel for what we liked/disliked and for him to get an idea as well).
Not the easy route (who wants to live with parents in your late 20s with a kid) but now that we’re in the house we’re in it was definitely worth it. Biggest advice is honestly to cut your big expenses- think rent, car loans, etc. as much as you can and then be diligent in your savings. In the 5 years that we saved, there were only 2-3 months that we didn’t hit our savings goal (and it was pretty aggressive). Honestly pretty proud of ourselves.
We put everything in a HYSA - wish we’d just stuck it all in the stock market (easy to say now with how it’s steadily gone up). This will really depend on y’all’s timeline - is it 1 year or 5?
As far as the house buying process itself - I hated it, it’s not fun, it’s stressful. I’d definitely recommend going to see a number of different houses before you buy (even go before you plan to buy) just to learn what you like/dislike and when you have that figured out then stick to your guns - in the 5 months we searched we only put an offer on 2 houses, missed out on the first one and got the second and we probably looked at 20 houses (first 7-8 was our realtor pushing us to look at a lot just for us to get a feel for what we liked/disliked and for him to get an idea as well).
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:56 am to MikelArteta
Do not expect to buy your forever home with your first purchase. Expect your first house to be a learning experience of what you like and dont like in a house.
Then start building toward more of a long-term home once you are living in your first house.
Then start building toward more of a long-term home once you are living in your first house.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:28 am to MikelArteta
The best advice I can give you is buy less than you qualify for and only buy if you are going to stay there at least 6 years. You don’t want to be house poor and you will have a major expense you don’t expect like an A/C unit or new roof. It’s usually easier to buy a home than sell a home.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:32 am to tigerbacon
If you go with an older house pay to have the pipes scoped. If they are cast iron you may have to change them soon. I ran I to a $20k fix dude to 50 year old cast iron pipes failing
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:01 am to MikelArteta
Don’t stress about it, your future ex wife and her sidepiece will be living in it in 10 years anyway and you will be in a condo. Good luck baw.
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