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re: Retirement thread piggyback...how much do you want to earn in retirement yearly?

Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:06 pm to
Don't take your mortgage into retirement
I don't care of its 2.5%
Be liquid-- Hoping $183k a year 4% withdrawal and SS money is enuf
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:10 pm to
No mortgage here.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:26 pm to
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Is RMD going to be an issue for you? Minimizing that along with minimizing my federal tax debt are my two top priorities in planning my retirement budget.


I mean, maybe, but I doubt it will be much of an impact. I've ROTHed as much as I can, but there is only so much I can do about matching and growth on matching. It's tough to complain about taxes on free money.

I'm sure it will come up, eventually, but I'll deal with it then. That's more of a tax planning issue than a retirement income issue (although, I agree that they will interface heavily if and when RMDs rear their ugly heads).

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Don't take your mortgage into retirement


I'm a persuasive MFer and even I can't convince myself to retire a 2.5% mortgage, my dude. I've talked to myself until I'm blue in the face. The more liquid I will be, the more I'm committed to taking that mortgage to term.

Sorry, not sorry.

(ETA: I suppose if and when cash and cash equivalent accounts stop paying at least 3% or so, maybe I retire it then - I doubt it, but maybe.)
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:41 pm to
That’s where the current circumstances come to play. My RE will be paid off when I’m 60 so I have two options;

Use proceeds to buy retirement house free and clear to minimize monthly costs; or
Invest proceeds and finance house if returns look to outpace interest rate.

I’m pretty tight so lean towards the former but who knows what we’ll be dealing with at that time.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:03 pm to
I have switched from replacing income to matching spending levels. That mindset makes sense. I won't be saving for retirement in retirement. My effective tax rate should be lower because of the weight of the Roth balances. Now, I could hit some RMD bumps, but those will be year-to-year changes until I get the non-Roth balances low enough to manage without a significant tax hit - probably a 2- to 3-year problem (again, hard to complain about taxes on free money, even harder to complain when that free money does better in the market than projected).

So, realistically, in today's dollars I would be fine with $11k to $12k per month, forever. Having the plan be $20k until the mortgage is retired (I'm paying the mortgage now) seems more than safe. Luxurious, even. I suspect we will make 2 to 3 signature trips the first 5 years of retirement (Bora Bora, Europe, what have you), maybe even a big family trip that we pay for/heavily subsidize, and then spending will settle. I have "big house" problems, too, but we'll deal with those on a case-by-case basis.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:13 pm to
People that are currently younger than 40 will never be able to retire
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:14 pm to
Adults are speaking.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Don't take your mortgage into retirement
I don't care of its 2.5%
Be liquid

How does an early paid off mortgage increase liquidity?
I maintain more liquid capital by retaining mortgage than having it locked up in home equity. Heck, I took out my 3.75% mortgage at early retirement and have zero intent to pay it early.
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4450 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:51 pm to
I calculated the wife and I will have 25k-30k a month c9ming in during retirement. 2 pensions and our 401k should be 5 million by then. Plus our other investments
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

withdrawing 5% of my networth annually per year. The experts say between 3-8% withdrawals


My plan, maybe more. I have no heirs
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

Those who generate most of their income via Covered Calls and/or Cash Secured Puts, please chime in here.



Chiming in.

If you have the money, it's easy to make the money in covered calls. Example. MU is sitting at 119. Selling the 122 will make you $200 plus $300 if assigned. That's a $11,900 investment and that's a 4% return if assigned.

Having spent a lot of time with this, I have made some rules for protection.

1- don't use high risk ETFs/Stocks. Keep it to known companies. I like AMZN as an example here.

2- I will never use more than 50% of my money in any account. The thought here is that markets go up and down and I can not control that. BUT it controls where I have to sell calls at and I will give you a current example of mine:

I own 200 shares of SMCX. It's a 2x bull on SMCI. Calls are great when it's moving up or sideways. But I'm in at $54. It's currently at $28. The calls at $54 is worthless right now. So I either wait it out (how does that help in retirement), sell calls below my entry, or have cash on hand to combat with.

What I did, because I have 50% cash, is purchase enough to lower my entry to $34. I sold calls on the $34 at $85 per contract.

3- Know your deltas. Don't just look at how much you can make. For me, there are stocks/etfs that I don't care to keep long term. With those, I sell them for the dollar signs... a high delta. Use SMCX for that. When it was above $55, calls were really high. And I sold higher deltas for 4-500$ each.

If I want to keep it, I never sell a call over .16 and most of the time it's .09. Again, AMZN as the example. A .09 delta will only make me $36 per contract. But it's also $10 higher than the current price and that means $1000 if assigned and the chances of that happening is low with a .09 delta.



What you need to know is how much you WANT to make per month. Then aim higher. Find your stocks/etfs that you feel comfortable with and see what the calls generally go for at a delta for the goal you have set. So, if you are wanting to make $5k per month, and you know the general price per contract, then you know how many you need to sell to reach that. This is give you how much money you need.


AMZN again. I know that I can get between $40 to $75 per week per contract. That means I need to sell 60 calls every month. Divide that by 4, that's 15 calls per week. I will need 1500 shares to reach my goal. That's a total of $342,000 investment. Plus I would need $342,000 in cash for market dives.

CRWV. I can sell a .16 delta for $100 and that's $11 above it's current price of $90 per share. To make that goal of $5K per month, I would need to sell 12 per week. The cost of my investment is just $108,000.


Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:37 pm to
$5M invested assets. Whatever that spits off and hopefully never really need to touch the principle.
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2469 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

Adults are speaking.


Mortgage is already paid off.

Planning on $20K - $30K a month.

I doubt we’ll ever spend that, but better to overshoot the mark than come up short.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30888 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:40 pm to
Goal is $50k/month after taxes, by age 54. 51 now and about 18 months away from getting there if the market doesn't take a shite and we get some decent growth. Don't need near that much, but I can't touch 65% of my retirement without penalty until the rule of 55 kicks in. Luckily I'll be just 54 and a couple weeks Jan 1 of the year I turn 55. I want to be able to do what I want, help my kids and grandkids and never have to worry about money again.

That's without factoring money from the sale of my business or income from keeping it open if I decide to. Also don't count directors fees and other income that may not last forever.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az
Member since Feb 2006
12784 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:08 pm to
Thanks for sharing
I have some roth accounts and I know my RMD will come into play in my 70’s.
Thanks for your insight
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az
Member since Feb 2006
12784 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:08 pm to
Why is this funny?
Posted by CenlaLowell
Alexandria, la
Member since Apr 2016
1218 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:33 am to
No mortgage at that time. Aiming for 5k +ss. It's way more than I will ever need
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:47 am to
I appreciate your perspective. Is this merely additional income for you? A hobby?

ETA: right now if you just had just a thousand shares of Nebius (65k), you could make $1,200 on weeklies at .29 delta.
1,200/65,000=0.0185
1.85% weekly
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 5:51 am
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:14 am to
quote:

Goal is $50k/month after taxes,


Is this a typo? $50K a month? You want $600K in spending annually?!
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