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re: Pro's & Con's of Investing in Real Estate

Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:00 pm to
unless you have good tenants its not worth it. i go out of my way to keep any good tenants satisfied once i get them and this sometimes means lowering rent
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:00 pm to
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but nobody has really sold me that RE isn't vastly overpriced and facing a massive correction the next 18 months.


you have been saying this for how many years in a row now?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:17 pm to
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you have been saying this for how many years in a row now?


Home prices have exploded but they aren't appreciating like other assets and getting in at these prices crushes your cashflow. At least that's been my view.

Sure some house sold for 25% more 3 years from its last sale...but I can get that and more in a shorter time frame in a lot of other investment assets.


If the cashflow isn't there, the appreciation isn't good enough for it to make sense.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:44 pm to
yea I don't disagree with what you're saying. there are definitely superior investment strategies out there in 2021

if these big real estate guys were smart they'd consider liquidating some and then moving that into Bitcoin and then collecting interest on their holdings.

far superior and less maintenance and overhead. I'm assuming many are doing it right now. could be the catalyst to correct the real estate market

Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44931 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:07 pm to
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Algiers point has always interested me for owning a duplex. Safe little area(if truly in the point) and cost barrier is low. Anyone have any thoughts on that area?


My cousin did that about 15 years ago, his family lived on one side, rented the other two out. After a few years he moved out and rented that one out as well. The 3 tenants covered both of his mortgages.
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:14 pm to
Good to hear. It seems like one of the few areas you can get close or at 1% rule in town. Other than some select cases in university area, where I currently have enough exposure.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:25 pm to
I'd look into holy cross

I think there is a lot of potential there.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:45 pm to
I have zero idea how 2% is possible in any of the markets I buy in. 1% is only possible on properties in the $100k to $200k range.

2%+ you have to be slumlording it up or running a super profitable Airbnb/VRBO.

For example, we will hit 1% in our $160k SFH.

We have a good shot of hitting 1% in our $500k duplex. But that's only thanks to the location and VRBO.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:00 pm to
1% only works here in one neighborhood and most of those homes are now selling outside of that. Outside of multi family 1% is unattainable. There’s a lot of knowledge on Bigger Pockets but a lot of the big guys there made their money buying properties during the housing crisis. Those types of deals and ratios are very very few and far between today.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:03 pm to
Yea in my hood you'd be lucky to get .5 or .6%
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
11898 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:16 pm to
Thanks will do.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
13080 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:19 pm to
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Outside of multi family 1% is unattainable.


I have literally gotten numerous SFHs well above 1 percent. And more than one were actually using a realtor. It’s possible.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:21 pm to
if the city ever makes moves on that abandoned naval port on poland, look out

those massive warehouse buildings are very popular right now. shopping. housing. coffee. miss river views etc

so much potential just sitting there rotting away
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:30 pm to
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I have literally gotten numerous SFHs well above 1 percent.


I was speaking for my area.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
13080 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:39 pm to
Oh ok my bad
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3965 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 7:49 pm to
it is a good income stream in retirement.

mix it with your equity, annuity,bond,cash buckets later in life

like op said cash stream is only a part of it and there are tax reasons,travel aspects,income offset, (depreciation applied to income to reduce taxes )and property appreciation..

i pay a little to have it managed and rented out etc.. depends on your situation..i am out of town a lot ...

Posted by Athletix
Member since Dec 2012
5143 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 10:10 pm to
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Can you expand on the tax part a little? Thanks


This is really is applicable to any small business, but real estate has a few unique items

Anything that can be conceived as “for the business” should be billed/filed as “for the business”

Mileage
Meals (needs to be “ftb”)
Tools
Fees
Insurance
Mortgage interest
Office
Office bills


Any money spent going into the property is either going to be a write off or a depreciation item.

You can depreciate the property over 27.5 years, not including land cost.

If you do it right every dollar made in rent should be offset by deductions. Ideally you’re able to lower your taxable income from the 401k job.

A good cpa is a must, but Uncle Sam wants you in real estate.




There are deals still out there and homes in most areas that can fit inside the 1% rule. How hard are you looking? Seriously, if you could land a 1% rental by opening Zillow 10 minutes a day, wouldn’t other people do the same? Are you willing to drop 30/40k on a house that needs a lot of work? Are you driving the neighborhoods looking for homes not being kept up?

I found and bought house #1 through word of mouth and had financing lined up when I went speak with them. House #2 is abandoned, I’ve secured a handshake deal, just waiting on life to slow down a bit. I’ve found 2 other homes off market that could potentially fit. I’ve left the sellers alone, because I’ve already got more than I can handle. There’s definitely homes within 60 miles of most people.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
20206 posts
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:10 am to
What type of real estate? The biggest gains I have seen in the last couple years have all come out of industrial. It is crazy hot rn. I wouldn't touch anything with office/retail. Residential still largely depends on the deal/market.

It's important to diversify. I have no issue with you being majority equities but everyone should probably own their house and a rental if at all possible just to diversify. I realize that is a huge ask to have significant money in the stock market while also having multiple houses.

I think ideally you would have something like 40% stocks, 40% industrial, 20% residential.

Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:28 am to
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I wouldn't touch anything with office/retail.

what I see every day is a severe shortage of good warehouse space.
warehousing with modern lighting, sprinkler and dock equipment is in high demand and getting top dollar

if I were investing in RE that’s what I would build/buy
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:14 am to
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those type of things have stopped me....I am not a handyman


Is it that difficult to hire a handyman?


You money doesn't fall out of the sky my guy!
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