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re: Only 13% of workers under 50, could answer 4 of 5 financial literacy questions correctly

Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:15 pm to
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What kind of questions are these?


Surely these were the issues ::eyeroll::
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:45 pm to
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And question number two is not true at all. Very few debits are immediately debited.


The point is, unlike a credit card charge, you are responsible for having sufficient funds to cover a payment made with a debit card the moment it is used regardless of how long the bank takes to process it.
Posted by GeauxTigersLee
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2010
4644 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:55 pm to
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What bank do you have where this is true? My debit transactions take 2-3 days.
It may not show on your statement or app, but those funds were withdrawn immediately. Also, unlike a credit card, a chargeback or dispute takes time to get the funds back into your account.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4141 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:47 am to
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Yeah mine come out at the end of the month. That one was false.


So you’re saying that you can make a $100 purchase using your debit card on the 1st, while only having $10 in your account, as long as you put $90 in your account before the end of the month?

Honest question. I don’t use debit cards, so I had assumed that it was necessary to have adequate funds to cover a purchase.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:10 am to
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Honest question. I don’t use debit cards, so I had assumed that it was necessary to have adequate funds to cover a purchase.


That is the general premise, otherwise you are playing the “float” just like when we wrote checks, hoping your deposit will get to the bank before the check is posted.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35243 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:17 am to
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Surely these were the issues ::eyeroll::
It is. If you ask poor and ambiguous questions, then you can’t draw conclusions about what they were intended to measure, especially with such few items. We can go into a more detailed discussion about psychometrics, and in particular, item response theory, but this test appears be neither valid nor reliable.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:46 am to
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This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56569 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:01 am to
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Parents job, do you really want the government teaching about financial literacy??
Yes. These are not opinions, or matters of religion. This is factual information.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25906 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:18 pm to
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2)Funds are taken from a debit card transaction immediately.



What bank do you have where this is true? My debit transactions take 2-3 days.


All debit card transactions (not debit transactions... this is referencing the card) put an immediate hold on funds.

Most retailers immediately run the balance at checkout against the checking account (i.e. grocery stores or online retailers).

Some retailers "marry" the charged amount at night and there may be a delay from when the "hold" amount becomes an actual withdrawal of funds (i.e. restaurant or barber where tips may be added. Gas stations hold the funds before the fillup but process the funds at the completion).

A lot of confusion about debit transactions occur because EFT (electronic funds transfer) is a slow process. This is a bulk request of funds to a bank that is run daily. The request includes every bank customer doing business with that retailer on that business day. This could be thousands or tens of thousands of requests to one bank (say Wells Fargo or Bank of America) from one retailer (say Progressive or Rocket Mortgage). It isnt uncommon for 2 to 3 business days needed to process a daily request (throw in a holiday weekend and that could be almost 5 calendar days).
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12827 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:29 pm to
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Very few debits are immediately debited.


I think the point of the question is that it’s not the same as a credit transaction.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:05 pm to
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I think the point of the question is that it’s not the same as a credit transaction.


Exactly, a lot of posters splitting hairs over the validity of the statements.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
13047 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:29 am to
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Parents job, do you really want the government teaching about financial literacy???

Try and immerse yourself among a group of average people. Walmart is probably the most popular store in America. Go there. McDonalds is probably the most popular restaurant. Go there too. Look around. Do you really want to rely on them teaching their kids about financial literacy?

Although there are probably many teachers among the crowd there, at least they have a script to teach from.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:31 am
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
6966 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:38 pm to
Very poorly worded questions. I can poke a hole in every one of them.

Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82082 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:49 pm to
Yeah this is dumb.
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1854 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:40 pm to
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literacy questions

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A 15-year mortgages

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4141 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:46 pm to
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Very poorly worded questions. I can poke a hole in every one of them.


I agree that the questions could/should have been worded better. But I also have to agree with the other poster who said that in order to take issue with the questions, one would have to be, well… financially literate.

But even frequent posters on this board will sometimes say some “curious” things. The fellow a couple of years ago who believed that it was a good idea to have his HELOC as his emergency fund. I pointed out that a HELOC can be modified or canceled by the lending institution. He said, no it couldn’t… because it was his money. M’kay then…

Or the fellow who keeps saying that even if you pay off your mortgage, you don’t really own your house because there will always be property taxes. With or without a mortgage, you own the house. Whether it’s a mortgage or a (potential) tax lien, debt against a property doesn’t preclude equity in a property.

So even on a money oriented board, where I suspect financial literacy is, on average, much higher than in the general population, you do often see some “curious” things here too.
Posted by shoestring
Member since Nov 2012
260 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:57 pm to
I think you added the word Roth then claimed the answer is false, when in reality the answer to the question asked is true.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4141 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:17 pm to
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95% of high school graduates cant remember the right words among loose/lose, their, they're, there, etc and you think they can remember financial education? credit card companies will always find ways to rip off citizens no matter how much financial literacy you give them.


You’re not suggesting that we drop English and grammar classes, are you? They’ve already stopped teaching cursive writing in our local schools. My girlfriend’s (know-it-all) 20 year old grandson can’t properly sign his name!

I’d say that it’ll be more commonplace for most younger people to be faced with financial decisions than grammar decisions. So I’m very much in favor of some sort of personal finance courses being taught in public (and private) schools. I say drop some of the “I’m OK… you’re OK… we’re OK” fluff courses and focus on truly valuable subjects.

But with that said, being the kid of a school teacher, misuse of those words has always bothered me (using your for you’re causes my head to catch fire),
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25906 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 6:43 am to
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They’ve already stopped teaching cursive writing in our local schools. My girlfriend’s (know-it-all) 20 year old grandson can’t properly sign his name!


I dont want to veer off course for the MT board.

But if someone should learn cursive, the parent/guardian should teach it.
If someone should learn financial literacy, the parent/guardian should teach it.
If i want to learn more about Roth, i shouldnt wait for government dollars to teach me. The same for how social security works. The same for how RMDs work.

I get a little frustrated when grievances include what isnt taught in school as if the school has a monopoly on learning. The smartest people learn how to learn. And then they dont use excuses (like not paying attention in school when things are taught).
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13666 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:48 am to
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Parents job, do you really want the government teaching about financial literacy??? Have you seen what they have done since 1913?


You could say the same about every single subject taught. Many children are not being taught anything by parents, regardless of subject, but especially finances. Those are the children that need it the most and would only learn from schools. We are talking minimal competency, not advanced economic theory. It is crazy that kids graduate high school and have never been taught about a checking account, debit card or credit card interest rates in 2022. The system needs to evolve in this area.

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