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Negotiating Raises
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:40 am
What are the best ways to negotiate a raise with my employer? I'm fairly new and don't have as much experience as the older guys at my company. I do in fact now have the same certifications they do. Every time I ask for a raise to get me to somewhere close to the same amount of pay as the rest of the guys in my field they laugh in my face. What should I do?
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:48 am to jeauxyburrow
Layout why you need to be paid the same rate. Get another offer and see which best benefits you v
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:50 am to jeauxyburrow
Compensation market is very much in your favor right now.
You shouldn't be comparing yourself to more experienced peers.
You should compare yourself to new hires at your competitors (same experience level and certifications).
If you leave for more money, that is what they will be forced to pay to replace you (on top of training and upfront expenses).
Unfortunately, if they don't value you as an employee then you are giving them an out to look for your replacement (lack of perceived loyalty).
You shouldn't be comparing yourself to more experienced peers.
You should compare yourself to new hires at your competitors (same experience level and certifications).
If you leave for more money, that is what they will be forced to pay to replace you (on top of training and upfront expenses).
Unfortunately, if they don't value you as an employee then you are giving them an out to look for your replacement (lack of perceived loyalty).
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:53 am to jeauxyburrow
Fairly new and you want around the same pay as experienced employees? Do you understand what you typed?
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:38 pm to jeauxyburrow
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What are the best ways to negotiate a raise with my employer? I'm fairly new and don't have as much experience as the older guys at my company. I do in fact now have the same certifications they do. Every time I ask for a raise to get me to somewhere close to the same amount of pay as the rest of the guys in my field they laugh in my face. What should I do?
Really, the only way is to get another offer and see if they will match. Holding certificates doesn't equate to experience. Also, it's annoying AF to an employer to have new employees bitching about needing more money right out of the gate, don't be surprised if they just let you walk.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:47 pm to jeauxyburrow
Well bud, you've played 3 seasons with only 2 of those being full seasons. You made it to the Super Bowl one year, playoffs the next. Bunch of dudes in here giving you bad advice. Team wasn't much before you, wasn't much without you that first season. Pretty sure you can command top 5 pay no matter if a bunch of old guys have more experience than you.
But legitimately, get another offer from another company. Present it to your boss and see what happens. Be aware though, he may say take it. And if you decide to crawfish, you'll never get a raise from that company again.
But legitimately, get another offer from another company. Present it to your boss and see what happens. Be aware though, he may say take it. And if you decide to crawfish, you'll never get a raise from that company again.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:48 pm to jeauxyburrow
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I'm fairly new
What is fairly new?
6 months?
1 year?
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:58 pm to jeauxyburrow
People generally get paid what they are able to negotiate from more than one employer.
Comparing yourself to the more senior employees only really makes sense if you are paid less and generate more revenue. Your best tool is identifying ways to improve your employer's bottom line and then demonstrating that to your boss.
Length of tenure matters somewhat too. People who change employers do earn more but employers don't want to invest in training someone who will leave after one year.
Comparing yourself to the more senior employees only really makes sense if you are paid less and generate more revenue. Your best tool is identifying ways to improve your employer's bottom line and then demonstrating that to your boss.
Length of tenure matters somewhat too. People who change employers do earn more but employers don't want to invest in training someone who will leave after one year.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:25 pm to jeauxyburrow
Don’t ask. Demonstrate value. Show them what you have done to create value and how you will continue to do so. Don’t slight yourself by only focusing on yourself. Be clear how you collaborate, manage stakeholders, bring ways of working across and between teams, etc.
Helpful to demonstrate your value in following context:
Structure and accountabilities - making org work better
People capabilities - making people better
Systems and processes - making S&P better
Mindset and culture - making org climate better (climate inaccurate here but for gist).
Then, and only then, reflect on benchmark of others. Credentials alone won’t cut it.
Helpful to demonstrate your value in following context:
Structure and accountabilities - making org work better
People capabilities - making people better
Systems and processes - making S&P better
Mindset and culture - making org climate better (climate inaccurate here but for gist).
Then, and only then, reflect on benchmark of others. Credentials alone won’t cut it.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:00 pm to jeauxyburrow
Are you IT? Either way, certifications don't always convey your comprehension. We've hired network engineers with CCNP certs and they couldn't map out networks effectively in the real world. They're called paper tigers.
Learn the environment and prove that life is more difficult without you before demanding more money. Otherwise, they will absolutely let you walk.
I have been with my company for 16 years and a 18 months ago I asked for a raise and they gave me a slap in the face raise. Went and found another job making what I was asking for and submitted my notice and they ended up giving me a 35% raise and a few other concessions.
Learn the environment and prove that life is more difficult without you before demanding more money. Otherwise, they will absolutely let you walk.
I have been with my company for 16 years and a 18 months ago I asked for a raise and they gave me a slap in the face raise. Went and found another job making what I was asking for and submitted my notice and they ended up giving me a 35% raise and a few other concessions.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:27 pm to jeauxyburrow
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Every time I ask
How many times have you asked, fairly new guy?
If you really think you deserve more AND you’ve already asked, time to interview around and see if you get an offer that verifies your suspicion
Posted on 3/3/23 at 3:53 pm to jeauxyburrow
Maybe I'm an a-hole, but outside of CoL/inflation increases, I don't give raises unless you demonstrate you are worth more than you used to be. Tenure has no bearing on pay. Only performance and growth. People who feel entitled to raises because of tenure annoy me. If you're still doing the same exact job I hired you for, then why would I pay you more to do the job? I also have 100% of my employees on some sort of bonus plan.
Ask your employer what would be needed from you to get a raise. Then do it. If they don't give you a raise after you've done what they asked, then start looking elsewhere.
Ask your employer what would be needed from you to get a raise. Then do it. If they don't give you a raise after you've done what they asked, then start looking elsewhere.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:56 pm to BottomlandBrew
I agree with most of your post.
But we are currently in a bout of wage inflation..
Even if he doesn't add more value, the starting point for qualified candidates has gone up.
You could be costing your business a lot of money by not entertaining a raise (despite him doing the same job/performance level at his current pay rate)
But we are currently in a bout of wage inflation..
Even if he doesn't add more value, the starting point for qualified candidates has gone up.
You could be costing your business a lot of money by not entertaining a raise (despite him doing the same job/performance level at his current pay rate)
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:54 pm to jeauxyburrow
Same certifications but less experience?
Why should you be paid the same?
Why should you be paid the same?
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:24 pm to Weagle25
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Same certifications but less experience?
Why should you be paid the same?
I think we're missing some vital context on whether the "experience" matters or not. Tenure != "experience".
Though just reading the tea leaves, OP sounds a bit green.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:33 pm to Joshjrn
Agreed he sounds very green. As an employer myself I’d say make yourself indispensable. Be a rockstar…someone that they can’t just go out and find easily for the same salary you’re already making. You’ll have some leverage if your trade is in demand with few prospects in the hiring pool. You’ll have little leverage if they can easily replace u with a similar hire. There are lots of people out there to hire, but there are few true rockstars.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:22 am to jeauxyburrow
I never got anything but what they gave me, regardless of what I said.
In hindsight, I should have quit years ago and taken a lateral position. I was too busy trying to move up without any luck.
In hindsight, I should have quit years ago and taken a lateral position. I was too busy trying to move up without any luck.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:18 am to jeauxyburrow
Best way is to secure an offer for more money and be prepared to leave.
If your employer values you then they will match or beat and act like nothing happened.
It sucks but this is just business. If you do get a competing offer just make sure you stress this is about money and your family.
If your employer values you then they will match or beat and act like nothing happened.
It sucks but this is just business. If you do get a competing offer just make sure you stress this is about money and your family.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:02 am to Civildawg
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Fairly new and you want around the same pay as experienced employees? Do you understand what you typed?
Not sure about OP, but the more experienced estimators in my company aren’t producing nearly the same as the rest of us. We are in cost management spot now, and they refuse to do any of the reporting or financials that go with it. They aren’t catching as much as the rest of us, getting the company savings. We’re starting company wide coming to an issue that senior employees are underperforming and driving younger people to go elsewhere.
Now I feel overall, I’m being compensated well. As much as the senior estimators on my team that are doing less? No. As well as the PMs who can’t even write a scope of work for directives? Also no. But I’m in a spot where I’m paid well and when you put in time, they clearly compensate.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 1:57 pm to jeauxyburrow
quote:bring another job offer to your boss. Either he sweetens the deal (or even matches) or you walk .
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