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More businesses starting to pass on Credit Card fees to the consumer??
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:43 pm
2x today I was given the option to pay cash/debit or have to pay additional 4% if I use a credit card.
Is this just an outlier I experienced or is this a growing trend? I feel like my Chase Reserve use is about to take a hit...
Is this just an outlier I experienced or is this a growing trend? I feel like my Chase Reserve use is about to take a hit...
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:48 pm to lilsnappa
Just had this happen today. Carpet repair guy, I asked if he took check or credit card. Said either was fine but 4% fee if paid by credit card so I paid with a check
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:56 pm to lilsnappa
Wait until this happens at a business that doesn't take cash.
Burn it down.
Burn it down.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:04 pm to thegreatboudini
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Wait until this happens at a business that doesn't take cash. Burn it down.
They would just up their price and never tell you about the 4% fee. In fact, this has probably already happened to you and you didn’t know.
The only reason to tell the customer about the fee is if you differentiate your price based on method of payment.
Then if that pisses you off, wait until you hear about the businesses that build the 4% fee into their price without telling anyone. Then you pay cash. And they pocket the 4% fee for no reason.
It’s part of business. Don’t know why you’d get fired up about it. You’re either willing to pay the price they’re charging or not.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:12 pm to lilsnappa
I just find it incredible how banks find a way to make money for you using your money. If you want to pay cash, you likely stopped at an ATM. If you get $200 out and pay $3, you paid 1.5% of your money, to spend your money. If you got $300 out, it's 3%. Between taxes and banks, you actually get to spend 50% of your income or less.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:39 pm to lilsnappa
I see this as penalizing me for doing business with you. If a business does that I go elsewhere.
CC have always charged a usage fee. If you don't like it raise your prices on everyone.
And for you business owners - if you're charging me 4% extra to use my CC and I put that fee on my CC also, aren't you now just paying a usage fee on a higher amount?
CC have always charged a usage fee. If you don't like it raise your prices on everyone.
And for you business owners - if you're charging me 4% extra to use my CC and I put that fee on my CC also, aren't you now just paying a usage fee on a higher amount?
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:53 pm to CSinLC
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And for you business owners - if you're charging me 4% extra to use my CC and I put that fee on my CC also, aren't you now just paying a usage fee on a higher amount?
We do it because we have 2-3 cc transactions a month, most of our customers use ACH/wires. But, to answer your question, when you run the cc it goes through on the business' end as 2 separate charges to avoid paying a fee on top of the fee.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:57 pm to lilsnappa
Actually, this guy is offering you a cost savings vs upping his prices. Everyone else increases their prices and keeps the 4% when you pay cash/debit.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:57 pm to Weagle25
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And they pocket the 4% fee for no reason.
Not entirely accurate. They're having to pay the card company a swipe fee of up to 4%. They are pocketing the rest, relatively guilt-free.
All you baws with cash back cards, you really didn't think there was anything in this life that was free, did you?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:58 pm to lilsnappa
Have a roofer coming out Friday who already warned me using a C.C. will be 3% charge so I'll write him a check instead.
I've run into a number of smaller businesses who charge you to use a card, 4% is pretty excessive. I dont know who is getting charged that to run a card.
For my wife's business she charges 3% c.c. fee, very small business with very few customers, never had an issue with is. Fact is if you want to pay by c.c. she has to eat a 3% fee to run it so she passes that on to only people who pay by c.c.
I've run into a number of smaller businesses who charge you to use a card, 4% is pretty excessive. I dont know who is getting charged that to run a card.
For my wife's business she charges 3% c.c. fee, very small business with very few customers, never had an issue with is. Fact is if you want to pay by c.c. she has to eat a 3% fee to run it so she passes that on to only people who pay by c.c.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:23 pm to thunderbird1100
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4% is pretty excessive.
The 4-5% cc charges has to be because the businesses are getting unfavorable rates from Discover & AmEx and they just round up and charge the same amount across the board. I want to say our Visa/MC is 2.8%, and our AmEx is 3.5%, so we just hit 3% to simplify it. And, through our bank, if we were running ccs as much as many of the retailers/restaurants, our fees could go as low as 1%.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:57 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I just find it incredible how banks find a way to make money for you using your money
So you think a Bank should just watch over and protect your money for free? Just want to make sure I understand that.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:26 pm to skewbs
Banks make money loaning out your money to other people, exorbitant credit card rates, questionable lending practices, and many other ways. Nickel and diming their legitimate customers is one of their more reprehensible actions.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:52 pm to lilsnappa
Presume you mean "pass on" more transparently.
If pricing was not covering 3-4% of their revenue, they may not be in business today.
If pricing was not covering 3-4% of their revenue, they may not be in business today.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:53 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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you likely stopped at an ATM. If you get $200 out and pay $3, you paid 1.5% of your money, to spend your money.
I haven't used an ATM in a while but if I use my bank's ATM, there is no charge. Has that changed?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:01 pm to lilsnappa
Depends on the business retail/restaurant I expect you to take card no fee
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:23 pm to lilsnappa
My ex-optometrist didn't take Amex because Amex charged him an extra 1%. He is no longer my optometrist.
I think this passing on of credit card fees is a good thing for the consumer since it exposes the pettiness of some businesses and thereby making it a screening tool of sorts for businesses to be avoided.
I think this passing on of credit card fees is a good thing for the consumer since it exposes the pettiness of some businesses and thereby making it a screening tool of sorts for businesses to be avoided.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:26 pm to thelawnwranglers
I’ve noticed a huge increase in this practice. Timing is of course interesting as many, many places went “cashless” during COVID and now tack on an extra 4% CC charge.
The legal requirements for this is interesting. It has to be clearly identified throughout the business, alternative payment options (no fee) must exist, and can be no more than 4%.
I much prefer the Texas law requirements that mandate only a “cash discount” is allowed. While effectively the same, it forces the place to up their advertised/listed price vs hiding behind a fee.
The legal requirements for this is interesting. It has to be clearly identified throughout the business, alternative payment options (no fee) must exist, and can be no more than 4%.
I much prefer the Texas law requirements that mandate only a “cash discount” is allowed. While effectively the same, it forces the place to up their advertised/listed price vs hiding behind a fee.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 7:07 pm to lilsnappa
Another thing I wonder is wouldn’t it be worth the convenience to deal with a CC swipe instead of counting paper bills and coins?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:47 pm to CSinLC
I'm of the understanding that if the CC companies find out that merchants are engaging in this practice, they'll cut their water off.
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