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Masters in Legal Studies (pairing with CM degree)

Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:46 am
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7429 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:46 am
I'd like to hear opinions on the value of a masters in law. Obviously you cant be a practicing lawyer with it but its only a 1 year program. Anytime you look up any degree on google you'll find dozens of useless articles written mostly by universities telling you how great of an idea it is, so i wanted to come here for some better advice.
I have a bachelors in Construction Management and have worked primarily in Project Controls. I started in oil and gas and now work for a government contractor in the defense and space sector. I really like negotiations and the commercial/political side of it, and my company is now offering 40% tuition reimbursement. I know most people usually go with the MBA but with it getting watered down I'm considering the MLS. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:47 am
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:59 am to
MBA would be more valuable than a masters in legal studies. I think you either get a jd or you don’t. And there are likely a number of jds in every field.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81581 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:03 am to
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I'd like to hear opinions on the value of a masters in law.
I can't imagine how this would be valuable at all.
Posted by ETxTgr
East TX
Member since Jun 2020
188 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:15 am to
its viewed as an extension to a paralegal certificate. Do the MBA route and dont do bullshite electives and substitute any available practical law based courses. avoid the legal theory types as well
Posted by Cornelius
1800s
Member since Aug 2012
1034 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:25 am to
Go the MBA route. I have neither heard of a masters in legal studies nor met anybody who obtained one. There's probably a reason for that.
Posted by Tigerlandlegend2000
LAPLACE
Member since Jan 2022
9 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:50 am to
Hey man, I think both options suck. I actually dont think an MBA sucks but it ain't worth it either. No way to get more specialized training/degree? Engineering, etc?
Posted by ks_nola
Philly
Member since Sep 2015
493 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:07 pm to
MBA is potentially the better route but do your research on each school's program and make sure they offer a specialization path that is of interest. Or better yet find an executive mba program as most general schools are allowing way to many students into the program which makes for no real world experience during class discussions, team projects, etc. It leans towards you get out what you put in especially in regards to making connections with other professionals not students who just finished their undergrad and don't want to join the real world. otherwise you just end up with another fancy piece of paper for your wall.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7429 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:06 pm to
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I actually dont think an MBA sucks but it ain't worth it either. No way to get more specialized training/degree? Engineering, etc?

I dont know of any specialized training that will be any more beneficial than the real world experience that I get from going to work every day. I think I already have a lot of the business skills that an MBA would provide, but I suppose the sheet of paper is worth something and checks a box. I feel the opposite about an MLS. Knowledge of construction law and contracting would definitely be helpful in my career, but is it worth anything on paper? Major companies already have j.d.'s to handle a lot of that stuff...But is there any use for a construction guy with a bit of legal knowledge?
A masters in engineering is not realistic, because I think all the courses will require pre-reqs that I didnt take in my undergrad. The most beneficial degree I could think of would be Software Development, but it just isn't something I'm remotely interested in.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420885 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:27 pm to
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I can't imagine how this would be valuable at all.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:29 pm to
The mls would likely be more specialized and may pigeon hole you towards contractual related work - majority of which will be fricked up projects. If you enjoyed the controls work might be a good fit.

A good friend whom I met through a really fricked up project got a masters in construction management and I think an mls. She is sought after for complex contract issues and change orders and billing like $300 + an hour for her time.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40349 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:30 pm to
Masters in Legal Studies is a total sham, just a money making scheme. Cornell advertises their program the whole time, only good for a prestige whore to impress a lay person who doesn’t know it isn’t a law degree.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 8:01 pm
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4638 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:35 pm to
Agree with everyone else. I can’t imagine any aspect of your field/career where this would be of any significant value to you.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10500 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 8:44 pm to
I have a CM degree and a JD. I’m general counsel at a good sized construction company.

There is no point in pursuing a masters in legal studies. Some of our management are MBAs, but I don’t think it’s necessary either.

My job is the best job in the world.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58079 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:04 pm to
Just get the MBA. That can open up many more doors as you move up the corporate ladders.

If you are in the defense related industry, look into taking some training in government related construction contract management, negotiations, FAR intro classes, and stuff like that. There used to be some great week long trainings a lot of government and contractor folks would go to about various subjects along these lines.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 8:27 am
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7429 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:08 pm to
Thanks, that's the kind of advice I was looking for.
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theOG

I know yall have it good and I wish I had pursued that route in college. I was hoping the MLS would open up some opportunities in that general area but it sounds like it's pretty useless. Back to the drawing board
Posted by JustinTI
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2006
198 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:02 am to
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I have a CM degree and a JD. I’m general counsel at a good sized construction company.

There is no point in pursuing a masters in legal studies. Some of our management are MBAs, but I don’t think it’s necessary either.


I'm a PE and an attorney and am general counsel at an engineering firm. I agree with this. Most of our management team/site leaders do not have MBAs either (or at least don't advertise it).
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20376 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:23 am to
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now work for a government contractor in the defense and space sector


Normally I'd say it seems that would be almost useless in the real world, but if you work for one of the large government contractors on projects for the government many of them have HR's similar to the government, in that their HR systems are designed to have boxes checked. In can be almost impossible to move up at some places without some boxes checked, like education.

In that case a masters may honestly help you a lot, and many masters are easier than an MBA so getting this MLS would likely be mostly useless in the field but potentially valuable for working HR? Especially if you find a lot of interest and can get it partially paid for.

But there again, maybe a crappy law school degree may be more beneficial but it would be a lot more work?
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12234 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:53 pm to
Just go to law school.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18705 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 7:09 am to
I literally never heard of a masters in legal studies until this thread. That should be an indication of its value in getting a job.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7429 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 8:43 am to
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Just go to law school.

My current career is too good to make it worthwhile to quit for 4 years to go to law school. Plus I have a house to pay for
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