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Help me understand the economics around building a house

Posted on 11/2/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 2:34 pm
This might be easily answered with the fact that I'm going with an estimate of $200/square foot for the average price in building a house. Is that too high?

There's a plot of land that just went up for sale in Vestavia, AL (one of the nicer suburbs of Birmingham for those unaware). It's a half acre lot for $175k.

At $200/square foot, a 2000 square foot house (going with a modest sized house for a half acre lot) becomes a $575k purchase.

Comps in the area in the $400k range. One near the plot of land is $465k for a 2500 square foot house.

Does the new construction boost the price that much? Just seems like an astronomically stupid idea to buy land to build a house for a significantly higher price than the other houses in the area.
Posted by swamptiger99
Member since Aug 2024
239 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 2:54 pm to
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Does the new construction boost the price that much?


Considering that it is nearly $70k in just permits alone to build ANYTHING.


Everything costs and your cheap laborforce has to eat and live as well.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14417 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 3:22 pm to
Your comps were probably built at $110 square foot or less pre 2020. That’s your discrepancy. Your question comes down to can you find an existing house cheaper whose renovation would be less than your new build? Also, houses aren’t investments. They are the place you spend a majority of your life. If you can afford the new build price and the house you build makes you happy, that is a big part of the decision.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 4:07 pm to
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Vestavia, AL (one of the nicer suburbs of Birmingham for those unaware). It's a half acre lot for $175k.


Better come with a blowjob from Jessica Alba
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 4:08 pm to
For a while there it was equivalent (even less expensive) to build than buy an existing home.

Never made sense to me.
Posted by nugget
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 5:31 pm to
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Considering that it is nearly $70k in just permits alone to build ANYTHING.


Is this an Alabama thing? Because I built my house and it was nowhere near that
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130362 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 6:27 pm to
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It's a half acre lot for $175k.


Mineral rights?
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21003 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 7:56 pm to
I got quotes from insurance companies saying it would cost between 600-700 to do a rebuild. I told them they are nuts.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2119 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:09 pm to
I think building a custom home has become a huge luxury, extravagance.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11814 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:09 pm to
This lot seems cheap. Any issues?
Posted by Dr.Funke
Not a real Doctor
Member since Dec 2011
660 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:03 am to
I doubt you can build for that cheap in Vestavia. I'm over $240/square foot in Alabaster
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:41 am to
Some odd responses here. On its own, $175K for a lot is not ridiculous, nor is $200/sqft. However, if a fairly new and similarly situated/appointed home is 25% larger than one you're considering, yet comps out at 80% of your planned purchase price, you should be very wary.

Also keep in mind, depending on your builder, and your propensity to change-orders during construction, you may end up looking at more money than you're calculating.

There are reasons one might commence to "overpay" for a house. Just know you're doing it, and know you can rationalize the expense/risk. e.g., Great location for schools (could save thousands over the years). Low tax locale vs neighboring communities. Time-saving convenience to work, activities. Etc.

If you choose to go that route, be as certain as possible you're looking at a long-term residence there. Being forced into an underwater home sale can really screw you up.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
16106 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:24 am to
Seems crazy now.

We built in 2005, 2300 sq ft at $100 / sq ft construction cost and have custom oak cabinets, real oak hardwood floors, granite countertops, jacuzzi tub, etc…

Paid $5000 / acre for 6 acres.

According to insurance value has nearly doubled.

Paid almost nothing for permits.

In Vermilion parish so paying through the nose for insurance, going to have to get a new fortified roof next year after it’s paid off to try to bring the premiums down.

Crazy that construction costs have doubled in 20 years.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 7:25 am
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2289 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:37 am to
I make my money in new construction, and have never felt like it was worth the price tag. I have built and sold over 100 homes and have never lived in a new construction house. To each their own. If large numbers of buyers didn't prefer to buy new homes, I would be doing something else. I love each and every one of you.

I am surprised that cost/ft is $200 in your area. I live in a growing area that is very nice, and our cost is around $175/ft this year for 2500 sqft home. The price difference between new and existing homes has always been significant. The safest bet is to build new homes in new subdivisions where the other houses are comparable. You can run into problems selling a home that is newer/more expensive than surrounding homes.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131232 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:57 am to
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Crazy that construction costs have doubled in 20 years.

That would only constitute about a 3.5% annual increase. Inflation during that timeframe ran close to 3%. So in real terms, over a 20 year period, a doubling of dollar costs is not necessarily that extravagant.

The real "crazy" is costs increased ~50% in just the last three years or so.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14417 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:21 pm to
I’m with you. The premium price for new home that are usually squeezed onto the smallest lot possible never made sense to me.

I bought a 3000 sq ft foreclosure in 2017 for $120,000. Lot alone was valued at $90,000. I put $300,000 into it going down to stud and new wiring and plumbing and landscaping but I got exactly what I wanted design wise. All my comps are $600,000 and have lots half the size. Looking for a good deal on an existing home and then renovating to taste is such a better bargain.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
144793 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:46 pm to
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Looking for a good deal on an existing home and then renovating to taste is such a better bargain.
pretty much what we did a couple years ago. Bought an older home in a great location that needed work for 1.2 then stripped it down and put about 400k into it renovating it to our needs/liking
Posted by xBirdx
Member since Sep 2018
1213 posts
Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:42 pm to
What?!?

Where in the world is this…?

I’m calling BS
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
7152 posts
Posted on 11/5/24 at 6:16 am to
I'm about to build in Vestavia with a realistic goal of $120/sqft, I'm also my own builder and do this for a living if that gives you any insight.

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Considering that it is nearly $70k in just permits alone to build ANYTHING.


If you're building $10 million homes in California, maybe.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 6:47 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
70823 posts
Posted on 11/5/24 at 7:15 am to
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At $200/square foot, a 2000 square foot house (going with a modest sized house for a half acre lot) becomes a $575k purchase.

Comps in the area in the $400k range. One near the plot of land is $465k for a 2500 square foot house.



I hope this is your forever home because this could be the issue for you down the road. 20% smaller house than surrounding stuff but 40% higher price is going to be a tough resell.

It's 1 thing to be a little more expensive but $575k compared to comps around $400k is a lot more frankly.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 7:16 am
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