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re: Haynesville Shale North of Benton??

Posted on 7/27/08 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 3:45 pm to
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$100/acre ain't a life changing amount of money, then when you consider that O&G will get 75% of your royalty interest for that


No, $100/acre isn't, but I see some people (in areas like northern Desoto) saying that they are throwing offers for $20,000/25% in the trash. If they keep on holding out longer than a few months, they may be searching around in the landfill for the "trash" that they threw out.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 4:57 pm to
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$100/acre ain't a life changing amount of money, then when you consider that O&G will get 75% of your royalty interest for that!


If you think like that why don't you pony up 6 or 7 million dollars to get 100% of your royalties? I'd say that's a good deal when you take into account you have no risk for someone to do what you cannot in developing your minerals.
Posted by GerryDiNardo
Bringing Back The Magic!
Member since Mar 2004
5796 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 5:05 pm to
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If you think like that why don't you pony up 6 or 7 million dollars to get 100% of your royalties? I'd say that's a good deal when you take into account you have no risk for someone to do what you cannot in developing your minerals.


With this and a smattering of the last few posts, I am confident this thread can approach somewhere around a 1 to 1 ratio on logic to b.s.

In stark contrast to TigerDog's logical posting, Floppy seems destined to lose all credibility when his 'secret sources' fail to provide his vindication. Meanwhile, Acrapiana keeps rambling on and on about these landowners who are getting "SOO MUCH MORE MONEY", but is unable to produce any evidence.
This post was edited on 7/27/08 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 5:20 pm to
According to most on here, I never had any credibility. So, I take that as a compliment. Before this is over, you too shall see the light.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93344 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 5:22 pm to
Acadiana? Can your turn down the volume on your avatar? Its very distracting and I'm almost inclined to agree with anything you say as I stare at it.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93344 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 5:28 pm to
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but I see some people (in areas like northern Desoto) saying that they are throwing offers for $20,000/25% in the trash.


That is greed. This is the richest area of the shale and they're going to make money hand-over-fist on royalties and they're throwing away that kind of signing bonus? SHEESH.

I wonder where the bottom is on NG. We are at $9 now and I have to believe it will level off as winter approaches but I wonder how the price of that will affect lease bonuses? CHK is probably feelign a little heat now that the stock is 70% of where it was 3 weeks ago.

Just sayin'

Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 5:30 pm to
Congratulations!! You finally stated something that made a little sense.
Posted by toughtiger
Member since Jun 2008
18 posts
Posted on 7/27/08 at 11:43 pm to
What company has drilled the 4 good wells? I simply am trying to find out who is interested in the area right now.
Posted by Rantavious
Bossier ''get down'' City
Member since Jan 2007
2128 posts
Posted on 7/28/08 at 10:05 am to
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Posted by Rantavious
Bossier ''get down'' City
Member since Jan 2007
2128 posts
Posted on 7/28/08 at 11:57 am to
quote:

I'd say that's a good deal when you take into account you have no risk


Sorry, 100 acres at $100/ac is $10,000, now back out taxes....I just don't find that money very compelling.

Understand the concept of risk applies to landowners as well, not just to O&G.

Does signing away 75% of your mineral interest for $10,000 not involve the concept of risk? Of course it does....in fact this is risk avoidance; just the flip side of the same coin. You cannot separate a landowner's mental calculus from the concept of risk. Some people are just less risk tolerant than others.

What I see is a lot of this...'well if you don't accept the bonus money (inference of greed here) you will miss out on a producing well and royalties are where the money is at' This is a perversion.

Bottom line here is that if gas is under your section - O&G is going to get it and you are not going to be 'left out'. A non-consenting landowner then has a working interest in the well and gets paid out of production net of costs, but with a 100% mineral interst. Note well that public policy maintains that a non-consenting landowner shall not be cast with the expense of exploration and drilling in the event of dry hole, that risk is solely borne by O&G.

So in the end, if you don't accept the bonus money and you are not cast with the cost of a dry hole, all the landowner has foresaken is the $10,000 bonus.... I will accept the risk and go non-consent if that is all O&G is willing to offer!
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 7/28/08 at 1:30 pm to
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Bottom line here is that if gas is under your section - O&G is going to get it and you are not going to be 'left out'. A non-consenting landowner then has a working interest in the well and gets paid out of production net of costs, but with a 100% mineral interst. Note well that public policy maintains that a non-consenting landowner shall not be cast with the expense of exploration and drilling in the event of dry hole, that risk is solely borne by O&G.


The landowner would have to be consenting to get 100% of their share of royalties less production and drilling costs, and that would apply to paying their share of well costs at 6-7 million dollars a well for these HS wells, and up to 2-3 million dollars for some of the Cotton Valley wells for those outside the HS area. If they choose not to pay and go non-consent they are not going to see any money until the well pays out 100 percent of drilling costs, which could be a long time depending upon how many charges the operator incurs prior to establishing production, or could be nothing at all in the event a dry hole is drilled or a mechanical problem is encountered. The comment in regards to a good deal was regarding the 25% royalties. 25% royalties is a pretty good rate considering that the landowner incurs no expenses and has no risk. Historically in North Louisiana not very many landowners were able to negotiate even 25% royalties, with most of those being timber companies and only a select few of the largest private landowners. Nobody is likely to pay more than $500 per acre for standard Cotton Valley leases anyways because economics don't support it so anything near that for land outside the HS is a great deal. Unless landowners are on the HS they won't receive these substantial bonuses and holding out outside the shale hoping for bonuses in the thousands of dollars might mean holding out forever.
This post was edited on 7/28/08 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Rantavious
Bossier ''get down'' City
Member since Jan 2007
2128 posts
Posted on 7/28/08 at 3:06 pm to
thanks TD83, i appreciate your comments
Posted by landnPD
Member since Jul 2008
18 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 8:10 pm to
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General Lee, Cad, Pitt, Tigerdog. You all may be correct about the sand/shale thing but YOUR WRONG ABOUT THE LEASE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the current offer is 10,200/25%--------That I know for a fact. That is a far cry from 200-500dollars. I now have to be sceptacle about your posts. I know, you now want me to tell you what operator and what(S,T,R), well unfortunatly I can't say. But pitt knows where i'm at so I didn't tell you that either. Oh and go ahead and bash me for not providing facts as I laugh in the background! No hard feelings I now stand with FLOP!




Is this still the offer. I have been contacted by a company also.
Posted by pittboss33
Bossier City
Member since Jul 2006
521 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 9:31 pm to
the offer was never confirmed Nobody will say who their offers were from, that's why no one believes them. We all hope these offers are true,but everyone in the business is skeptical. Your land is worth whatever someone offers you. Acadiana said he got this offer, but can't give confirmation. We have 5000 acres right next to him and haven't been contacted, that's what makes me skeptical.
Posted by countryboy
Plain Dealing
Member since Jul 2008
73 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 9:33 pm to
Guess you don't know the right people PB? lol...
Posted by pittboss33
Bossier City
Member since Jul 2006
521 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 9:47 pm to
You must not either. Where's your 10,000/acre check? Let me guess....it's in the mail.
Posted by countryboy
Plain Dealing
Member since Jul 2008
73 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 9:57 pm to
Didn't say I had a lease or money.. A hole....But I am talking to people unlike yourself...You just got your panties in a wad because Acadiana says he has the money....
This post was edited on 7/29/08 at 10:01 pm
Posted by pittboss33
Bossier City
Member since Jul 2006
521 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 9:59 pm to
You sure were quick to tell about the wells close to you. Thanks for calling me by my first name. I love it.
Posted by countryboy
Plain Dealing
Member since Jul 2008
73 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 10:03 pm to
YOu are welcome...I have to fill in for Flop since it isn't on tonight!
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 7/29/08 at 10:41 pm to
Flop is here!! Sorry, been out visiting w/ folks. More good news to come. It is taking me a little longer than I first mentioned to get the concrete info needed to disprove the doubters. Again, I say... Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaame is on my side. Lighten up Pittboss, you are becoming a whole arse.
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