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Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:48 am to wutangfinancial
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For people with thousands of shares you can sell lots of premium in the options market to juice your returns.
Would you be so kind to give us a lesson, with some examples of this?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:56 am to Grassy1
Interest rate on my lent out shares is back up to 6.5% now... Gonna get a nice check here for the month of October...



Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:01 pm to Grassy1
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For people with thousands of shares you can sell lots of premium in the options market to juice your returns.
Would you be so kind to give us a lesson, with some examples of this?
He’s talking about selling Covered Calls. For every 100 shares you own, you can sell one call contract. A buyer would pay you a “premium” for the opportunity (but not the obligation) to buy your shares at a certain “strike” price.
For example, the options expiring November 19th are currently going for .40 each at the $15 strike. So you could sell one covered call (lot of 100 shares) and make an instant $40. If the share price is less than $15 each at end of day November 19th, you keep the $40 and your shares. If it’s over $15 at EOD 11/19, your shares are sold at $15 each, so you are paid $1500 for your shares and you keep the $40 premium too.
The risk is that the price jumps up to $17 a share or something, but you still only get $15 a share. The ideal scenario is that the stock closes less than $15 a share and you keep your shares and the premium (the option expires worthless). You can always buy back your covered call early if you want to keep your shares, or roll it out and up.
Now, if you have 1000 shares, you can sell 10 of those covered call contracts and make an instant $400. All of the above still applies. If you have 10,000 you can make an instant $4k today.
Options prices are constantly changing, as it’s based on the bid/ask spread like a stock. They are heavily influenced by “the Greeks” (delta, gamma, Vega and theta).
It’s one of those things where it’s easy to learn, difficult to master. So many levels and strategies.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:11 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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For example, the options expiring November 19th are currently going for .40 each at the $15 strike
Funny you used this one as your example. I had sold 100 of these at $0.20 a few weeks back and last week decided I didn’t like my chances. So I bought them all back at $0.40(lost 2k), and sold 100 of the April $25 strikes for $1.20 instead.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:21 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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If it’s over $15 at EOD 11/19, your shares are sold at $15 each, so you are paid $1500 for your shares and you keep the $40 premium too.
Wouldn't the share price need to be over $15.40 in this theoretical to be exercised, because it needs to account for the premium paid before it's in the money?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:37 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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Box Geauxrilla
Thanks for the explanation. I watched +10 YT videos on options selling, covered calls, and put options but never understood them as much as I understood your example.

Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:38 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Wouldn't the share price need to be over $15.40 in this theoretical to be exercised, because it needs to account for the premium paid before it's in the money?
The option would still be exercised, but the buyer would take a loss in that instance.
The buyer would most likely sell that call before it expires in that example for some intrinsic value (delta and theta).
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:49 pm to BigDropper
He pretty much nailed the explanation. No need to further complicate things 

Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:22 pm to wutangfinancial
I've been very confused about options as well, but agree that your explanation was easily the best I've heard so far.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:31 pm to KCRoyalBlue
Let's make a run here at the end of the day.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:57 pm to KCRoyalBlue
Dammit Cookie!!! Give me my TEN!!!
ETA-But I'll settle for 9.69%
8.09% It'll do. This was the buyers at $12.29 and the paper hands that kept taking it to $12.28
ETA-But I'll settle for 9.69%
8.09% It'll do. This was the buyers at $12.29 and the paper hands that kept taking it to $12.28

This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:01 pm to SmackoverHawg
TSLA is up damn near 100 bucks. 

Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:05 pm to tigerfoot
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TSLA is up damn near 100 bucks.
I've been telling people to go long on it. It was my pick for the next 25 years. They laughed. I'll be rolling SLI profits over into Tesla, unless they keep kicking arse for 20 years. I'll for sure roll my oil and gas plays over into it.
People forget that they are an energy company. Solar panels/power walls and energy storage for grid support. Their solar panels are the best and getting better. I wouldn't doubt if every new build has Tesla solar shingles in 10-15 years. They actually innovate and improve v. taking and wasting gov't money (Solyndra).
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:06 pm to BigDropper
I'm afraid to sell options on this stock because I'm holding everything I can and don't want to sell any shares. I might buy a few options at some point should it look like we are going to take a big jump.
Fully funded lending lets me pick up more shares at the end of the month.
Fully funded lending lets me pick up more shares at the end of the month.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:11 pm to SmackoverHawg
What your thoughts on a blue chip like NEE or SO? Surely electric energy prices are going to continue to climb as more and more people switch over to EV?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:30 pm to Shepherd88
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What your thoughts on a blue chip like NEE or SO? Surely electric energy prices are going to continue to climb as more and more people switch over to EV?
I invest in utility funds. Don't know much in depth info about either one as to whether they'll outperform or not. The vast majority of my investments are in funds. I buy very few individual stocks. I look for bargains with highest potential return when the market takes a shite, and stick to companies I know and have been following. Then a few speculative stocks here and there like SLI.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:40 pm to SmackoverHawg
When is earnings again? I know it’s been changed a few times to the point I have no idea which date is correct.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:44 pm to DrSeuss19
Thursday the 4th for Lanxess and sometime next week for SLI....I want to say Tuesday the 9th, but not sure exactly
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:56 pm to Ballstein32
Anyone spot any Germans mulling around town? lol
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