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re: You guys bashing Woody for the men’s bball hire are crazy
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:02 am to sportjunkie69
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:02 am to sportjunkie69
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Notre Dame was looking for an exit for Kelly, and Kelly wanted out.
No tf they did not. That sentiment only started when they lost BK. Classic Jilted Lover Syndrome. Don’t try and change history to justify your hate for Woodward. He Hired Kelly. Period. BK could have just as easily gone to another school.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:08 am to Im4datigers
It’s funny because everyone seemed to understand the situation when he was hired. Then we expectedly struggle and suddenly it was a terrible hire.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:10 am to ellessuuuu
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He went the cheapest route possible. Fired Wade as soon as he could for cause. And then hired a guy at one of the lowest annual salaries in the league.
I keep seeing people hang on to this and the argument makes zero sense.
Sans Calipari the average pay for SEC coaches is $3,604.03. McMahon is getting paid $3,035.00. The way people keep bringing up this point you'd think Woodward went out and hired a guy for $900K a year.
He's getting paid exactly what he should be getting paid.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:16 pm to Frogman93
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No tf they did not. That sentiment only started when they lost BK. Classic Jilted Lover Syndrome. Don’t try and change history
You clearly don't know the history of Kelly at Notre DAme. There were in fact strong rumors for a couple y ears Kelly was unhappy at ND and felt limited by the academic requirements on incoming students related to football recruiting.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:18 pm to Gus007
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Orgeron built an average team, in three years, into the most entertaining football team in NCAA history. Some experts say the best in history.
Other on minus Burrow & Brady was significantly worse than Miles. The fact that you continually try to spin that into something it isn’t tells us all which group you fall into.
You probably think Orgeron is a better coach than Kelly.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:18 pm to Magician2
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Magician2
Well well…. Look who’s back and bitching about something else he hates
You’re one miserable person. Get help. The tigers are going to Omaha this year and I don’t think you’ll be able to handle it.
Basically what I’m saying is that you can go ahead and suck our tiger dicks, bitch
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:23 pm to KC Tiger
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HE caused all of this. Not Alleva, not Woodward, not the players, not the NCAA….Wade caused it.
Indeed
He was a decent coach but a total dumbass. He was an easy catch for the ncaa with the trail of evidence he left.
I didn’t much care for his public persona or his continual attempts to embarrass the school facilities through the media.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:51 pm to sportjunkie69
And gave them millions more too. People act like he is doing Trump and Art of the Deal.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:19 pm to Shovelhead
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McMahon has always been meant to be a short term place holder.
That's why he signed him to a 7 year contract with the potential to become 8?
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Look at all the other hires. McMahon doesn't fit the MO for Woody.
What's Woody's MO?
Because I promise you no highly successful power conf. coach is leaving his current job to come "rebuild" LSU. Mark Few is not going to say "You know. I just can't get it done at Gonzaga. Let me go to a place that's never won a national championship and see if that works out". LSU is not an upgrade for coaches consistently competing for national championships. But to be fair to LSU, not many in the SEC are. That's why when 6 schools made coaching changes following last season, NONE made a big name hire.
Quite frankly, Woody had his "MO hire" sitting there this season desperate for a job...Chris Beard. And he let Ole Miss, historically the worst basketball program in the SEC, not only hire him, but at a tremendous discount. Beard is making $1.5M LESS than he was making at Texas. His current contract would have made him the 8th highest paid coach in the SEC this year. For a guy who had a ridiculous 1 season turnaround at Arkansas-Little Rock, got Texas Tech the the Elite Eight and National Championship game in years 2-3, and built the Texas team that just fell short of the Final Four this year (in what would have been Beard's second season there)
If McMahon "has always been meant to be a short term place holder" then that term should have been quickly expedited given manna from college basketball heaven dropped out of the sky when Beard was unexpectedly fired by Texas. The potential program-changing hire for LSU was there...Woody shrugged
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:28 pm to Alt26
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The timing of the Wade firing was petty and vindictive
Don’t see how anyone could disagree with this, especially the type of baws that love to hurl real humdinger insults like “cuck” around. Woody and Tate cucked themselves and torpedoed that team’s hard work. No they weren’t going to win it all but there was a path to an elite 8 there.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:32 pm to Im4datigers
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McMahon - yes while it doesn’t look great at this point it was like selling a job to come and be a water sewer treatment plant supervisor (more like taste tester). Let’s see how it pans out in year two.
Please stop posting this false narrative.
Why can “Mulkey bring in 9 new players and reach the Final 4” as well as other men’s coaches make strong runs, but McMahon barely won a conference game with 3 transfers that won 31 the previous season and a Top 20 draft class? Could it be possible he isn’t a good coach?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:18 pm to S
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The timing of the Wade firing was petty and vindictive
Don’t see how anyone could disagree with this
You don't? He was fired pretty much immediately after the NOA was delivered to LSU. We can argue that LSU should have waited for a bit but that was clearly the catalyst. Doesn't seem either petty or vindictive to me. But then I don't have the inside sources all of you guys seem to have so
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:51 pm to Im4datigers
Brian Kelly is meh. And he set the basketball program back 10 years. But hey at least we have baseball! A fringe sport that MAYBE 15-20 schools even give a shite about.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:52 pm to Im4datigers
I personally love everything he has does except firing the best head basketball coach that we have seen at Lsu…
We should have a football team that finished 2nd in the sec, baseball team currently ranked #1 team in a he country a woman’s team currently in the final four and a mens basketball team that would have made it to the tournament for the 4th year in a row.. we were on track in backetball and now are not
We should have a football team that finished 2nd in the sec, baseball team currently ranked #1 team in a he country a woman’s team currently in the final four and a mens basketball team that would have made it to the tournament for the 4th year in a row.. we were on track in backetball and now are not
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:31 pm to mdomingue
They could’ve waited a whole week
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:31 pm to More beer please
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My biggest issue that most of those with only blaming Wade, ignore how Woody fired him. It was a dumb and cowardly way to get rid of a coach. Who's gonna want to work for someone like that?
Do you honestly believe that this decision was Woodward's alone? Get real. When the NCAA is on your doorstep (valid threat or not) that brings the BOS and the school president into the decision very quickly.
And its not like Wade getting fired was a huge surprise. It was the direct cause and affect of the NOA coming out and him being fired the same week. Again, you might not agree that the NOA was the smoking gun that the school administration took it to be, but it is a clear fact that Wade did some really stupid shite multiple times.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:35 pm to ruffleforeskin
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Brian Kelly is meh.
Jesus.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:34 am to Basura Blanco
Exactly the narrative Scott wants people to buy…
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:26 am to mdomingue
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You don't? He was fired pretty much immediately after the NOA was delivered to LSU. We can argue that LSU should have waited for a bit but that was clearly the catalyst. Doesn't seem either petty or vindictive to me. But then I don't have the inside sources all of you guys seem to have so
None of the allegations were big surprises. This had been stuff in the public for three years at that point This NOA just formalized it. Which allowed LSU to contractually fire Wade with cause. But that would have been the case a week, two weeks, three weeks later.
You allowed Wade to coach three more seasons after the initial yahoo report came out. Including the entire 21-22 season. Then, literally on the eve of Selection Sunday, you fire the team's top two coaches as they enter the most important games of the season. The games the players (your student athletes) had been working towards all season.
Even if Wade had been allowed to coach in the NCAAT it was unlikely LSU would have made it any farther than the second weekend of the tournament...if that. The firing could have then taken place a week later without purposely weakening your team in the tournament. Unfortunately the timing of the firing was a vindictive and petty power play to do just that. With zero concern for the student-athletes who are purportedly the "sole focus" of the athletic department.
Woodward wanted to punish Wade. More than that, he wanted to tacitly ensure a quick exit for LSU from the tournament. He didn't want to run the risk (however small) that LSU got on a roll and Wade became much more popular among the fanbase. Which is ironic because the immense fan support of Wade is probably the ONLY reason Woodward got the job in the first place. The suspension of Wade at the end of the 2019 season and the incredibly hostile atmosphere at the PMAC towards Alleva following the suspension was the catalyst that put the wheels in motion to bring Woodward here.
At the time Woodward was justified in firing Wade. We will (maybe? hopefully?) find out soon enough if it was necessary once the IARP ruling is rendered. But there is no rational argument to justify purposely fricking over the players who had nothing to with the allegations by cutting their coaching staff in half right before the tournament. None! If LSU were "trying to curry favor with the NCAA" (which is bullshite) they would have voluntarily withdrew from consideration from the tournament. But they didn't. And I suspect they didn't return the revenues from that tournament selection either.
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