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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:48 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:48 am to JPLSU1981
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but this was far from “idiotic clock management.” You and I have both seen idiotic clock management
This was Les Miles-esque
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The main goal on that drive was to score and leave little or no time for Arkansas, and we did exactly that.
No, we didn't. We could have left 0 time left and we failed at that. Again, we failed at your main goal.
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The MAIN thing was not to leave them 30+ seconds or a minute or 2, which we didn’t.
Goalposts...moving...
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:51 am to burreauxxx
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I don't blame him for trying to win the game with his best asset first - his offense - before having to turn it over to a kicker.
He said after the game they were not trying to score.
I certainly hope everyone understands the third down play, he told Jayden to chunk it to the cheerleaders. They were not trying to complete a fade. I saw this with my own eyes, BK was yelling to Jayden to throw it out of bounds.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Agree to disagree I guess. Maybe it wasn’t perfect clock management, but in no way was it “bad clock management” IMO. I’ve seen way too many examples of true bad clock management in college and the NFL, and this wasn’t it.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:55 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:53 am to JPLSU1981
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The main goal on that drive was to score and leave little or no time for Arkansas, and we did exactly that.
When we started on our own 25 with 5:00 left, sure.
But once we had first down at the 4 yard line with 1:45 left and Arky out of time outs, we had the luxury of killing the entire clock.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 11:22 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:55 am to Choupique19
And we tried to score and give them the damn ball back with 1:40 on the clock 
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:57 am to JPLSU1981
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Maybe it wasn’t perfect clock management, but in no way was it “bad clock management” IMO. I’ve seen way too many examples of true bad clock management in college and the NFL, and this wasn’t it.
I can live with this. As I said earlier, it wasn’t my biggest concern from that game.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:03 am to Choupique19
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But once we had first down at the 4 yard line with 1:45 left and Arky out of time outs, we had the luxury of killing the entire clock.
This.
Once Kelly decided he was going to try a FG to win the game, there was ZERO reason to not run the clock all the way down to 3-4 seconds left and kick the FG with Arkansas never getting the ball again. He may not acknowledge the gaffe. And no one may ask about it since LSU won the game. But it was bad clock management.
All he had to do was line up after the second down play and have Daniels take the snap, get to the middle of the field (or wherever his kicker wanted the ball), and go down. He could have then bled the clock all the way down before calling his final TO. At that point Arkansas never touches the ball again.
I think what happened was BK initially wasn't sure if he wanted to try to score a TD or not. Probably because he still isn't confident with his special teams (which is frankly his fault since he did very little to fix it in the offseason)
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:21 am to Alt26
quote:Yeah, this is the issue, not the decision to milk the clock and kick the FG instead of going for a TD.
All he had to do was line up after the second down play and have Daniels take the snap, get to the middle of the field (or wherever his kicker wanted the ball), and go down. He could have then bled the clock all the way down before calling his final TO. At that point Arkansas never touches the ball again.
1st down was somewhat understandable, if you punch it in and get the TD so be it. We can disagree with it, saying it gives them too much time. The counter is they need a TD to tie or win with a 2 pt conversion.
But if you're going for the walk-off FG and it's 2nd and goal, you run/knee to center it on 2nd, and 3rd downs. Then take the final TO after 3rd, with the clock at 3 seconds. There was zero reason to play it the way we did... there COULD have been a bad snap on 3rd down. If Daniels can't get it, they scoop and score worst case scenario, or the clock runs out if he covers it.
I'm happy with the W, we're 1 yr removed from being a .500 team 2 years running. It's still too early to bitch about style points. You take what you can get until Kelly stocks the roster.
But it's definitely fair to say Kelly bungled this a bit at the end.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:33 am to Choupique19
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He said after the game they were not trying to score.
All the reason more to be deliberate with his timeouts. He was clearly planning based on the scenarios presented from down to down.
Diggs was definitely trying to score on 2nd Down so he made his mind up that it was worth trying to punch it in so Ark had under a minute against our D. When we didn't score, Kelly realized there was going to be under 10 seconds left regardless so he made the decision to accept that. Far from egregious mismanagement.
He took his time, thought through each down, didn't rush or panic, asked his offense to execute from one down to the next and then took a high percentage kick.
I have a feeling that if he would've scored too fast and left 50 secs on the clock for Ark to come down the field and score and then go for two to beat us outright -- this board would have REALLY melted. Yet, we're several pages deep right now knit picking a few seconds and nominal probability points for victory in a game we won
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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The left hash was the wrong hash
Incorrect. Wrong part of the field not wrong hash. The argument for middle of the field means neither hash.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:31 pm to IM_4_LSU
Quit bitching. weWon the fricking Game
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:59 pm to NorthTxLSU
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the fact that there was still time left on the clock at all after the field goal is pretty embarrassing for a D1 coach
It wasn’t butchered in Milesian fashion, but it was poorly handled. The question is will it be a consistent thing with Kelly. With Miles it continued to happen on multiple occasions and people dismissed it to some degree because it didn’t actually cost us a game. And then it finally did. Hopefully this was just a blip that the coaching staff has addressed internally. If we see it again then I think it definitely merits concern. Right now I don’t think it’s a red flag, just a yellow one.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:16 pm to Lou Pai
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Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
because there is no need to criticize it. He did it the way he wanted. Ark had 4 seconds to go 75 yards. quit bitching
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:35 pm to WaterLink
He did
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:39 pm to Shaq4prez
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because there is no need to criticize it. He did it the way he wanted. Ark had 4 seconds to go 75 yards. quit bitching
Thank you, for the love of all that is right and good in this world, so people just want to complain.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:39 pm to Lou Pai
Arkansas got the ball back with 4 seconds. Unless that ran the kick off back for TD, there was no way they could tie the game. Give it a rest and find something else to bitch about.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:44 pm to Shaq4prez
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Ark had 4 seconds to go 75 yards.
Done properly they would have never touched the ball again.
Do you even Bluegrass Miracle, bro?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:50 pm to Lou Pai
Story of the game is that our defense couldn’t get off of the field with several and down and distance advantages, couldn’t get Jefferson on the ground and their TE is still wide arse open.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:06 pm to deuce985
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For some bizarre reason BK is thought of as some amazing X and Os guru on here when his coaching is clearly showing the opposite dating back into last season. It will only be time before this board realize he's actually a Les Miles shadow without the charisma.
If he recruits at a high level (as he has shown) and let's the coaches he has hired do their job, then I don't care.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:43 pm to Choupique19
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Do you even Bluegrass Miracle, bro?
Yes, I do
Marcus Randall an Early Doucet do not play football anymore
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