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re: Why is Steele getting a pass?

Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:50 am to
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:50 am to
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ETA: I have never been more confident in my life that Steele will be a terrible hire.



The most confidence you have ever had in your life has to do with whether someone else will succeed or not?? You are not a very successful person are you?

Chin up, old sport. The sun will shine on you someday, HuRRiCaNe MiLeS, perhaps.

This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 7:56 am
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69443 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:53 am to
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Were do you think our Dline players would rank in the SEC?


I have no idea. I think our starters would start for most SEC teams. Its not like they are scrubs.

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And to stop Bama you have to have better than ok players on your D-line.


Is our dline better or worse than last year?

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Because the Dline doesn't require double teams the Oline is free to head hunt the LB'rs.


I can't remember seeing any middle lb's handled like he was on that play...at any level. Maybe it was one bad play.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85463 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:59 am to
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don't think you understand recruiting. We can only sign 25 guys. The STAFF evaluates the recruits. CLM and the recruiting coordinator have to have a gameplan for who they want to sign and what needs they want to fill. To say that Chavis is to blame isn't really fair...if the recruiting was weak the whole staff bears responsibility.


From 2009 til the day before the music city bowl, people gave credit to chavis. Basically saying he is responsible for Les keeping his job. Les lets chavis have full control of the defense.


You haters can't have it both ways. Everything is on Miles. Thee good and bad.

Now it's up to chavis and assistants to identify players to play in the scheme he wants to run, and the positions we lack depth were coached by Haley and Chavis. So there was either poor coaching or a lot of misses on the trail by those two.
Posted by ColeCoushCoush
Member since Aug 2014
497 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:02 am to
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If you're referring to the first half of last year, I agree. But through the second half of 2014, our defense was incredible. Definitely beats this year.


I'm talking about comparing last year as a whole to this year as a whole. Why is everyone complaining about Steele getting a pass while simultaneously giving Chavis a big pass? If Chavis were still here, it wouldn't have helped at all against the gumps, and it might have been worse since Chavis couldn't figure out how to get pressure on the QB.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69443 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:03 am to
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You haters can't have it both ways. Everything is on Miles. Thee good and bad.


well who do we say is the great recruiter...so now you are telling me the reason we have bad recuits is chavis...apply your own logic to your statement and tell me how that isn't hypocritical

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Now it's up to chavis and assistants to identify players to play in the scheme he wants to run, and the positions we lack depth were coached by Haley and Chavis. So there was either poor coaching or a lot of misses on the trail by those two.


so the head coach and recruiting coordinator only evaluate offensive talent...the defensive talent was left solely up to chavis?
Posted by Canwoodtiger
Member since Oct 2015
3737 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:04 am to
This. Steele needs an opportunity to get his and O's players worked into the system. He has no depth to deal with. And that is not on him or Coach O or coach Raymond.
Posted by Dagoose
Knoxville TN
Member since Nov 2014
541 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:09 am to
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Because he is not playing with his recruits


Everyone know that Steele is a great DC that was in great demand around the country. His was the 1st and only name on CLM list for DC. CLM got his man.

Nevermind his track record. Never judge a coach by their past, look at their future.

CLM got his man.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:17 am to
When Steele gets his depth and size then judge. Chavis left us light in the arse and thin.
Posted by GeauxTigersLee
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2010
4677 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:37 am to
Bama ran 29 plays in the 1st 3 drives vs 9 for LSU, and our D still only gave up 3 points. I'd say that's very similar to a Chavis coached D. After that, Bama only ran 9 plays for the remainder of the half. 1 long run by Henry that setup their only TD in the 1st half and a 55 yard FG setup by poor ST play (kick out of bounds).

The main problem is our lack of offense that setup the D for failure in the 2nd half.
1st 4 drives = total of 9 yards.
- Int setup a 28 play TD
- 6 plays for 9 yards
- 3 and out for 6 yards
- 3 and out for -6 yards

By that time, the D was completely gassed. Every time Bama had the ball, they were at least able to flip field position.

The main difference in these games was last year, we came out of the 2nd half and our 1st 3 drives were 12 plays, 13 plays, and 11 plays. Combined 36 plays vs 10 plays this year. And people wonder why our defense was tired?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50332 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:38 am to
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Were do you think our Dline players would rank in the SEC? Neal is the only one that would be in the top 20. They are ok players but nothing special. And to stop Bama you have to have better than ok players on your D-line.



Davon Godchaux is the most underrated DT in the conference and Neal is having a All-SEC season. To say the starters on the Dline are "nothing special" is beyond ignorant.

The depth is the problem for that unit, not the starters.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
10643 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:41 am to
As everyone has mentioned, we had a very young, no-depth, poorly-matched up (their o-line quite obviously oversized our d-line; we matched better for pass rush, and we got some sacks no less) front seven working for forty minutes against those big boys. They had a handful of stops, too.

I said during the game that it looked a little like the championship again (but with a half competent qb able to make that pass and a well-placed turnover to give us our two touchdowns). Can't run. Couldn't get some passes we needed. Small margin of error. No TOP. The D had no help.

And it IS ol' boy's first year. That can make a difference, whether you want to admit it or not. I feel he had our D do fair work, considering. I and others had been concerned with the lack of depth throughout the year, as covered up as it was by the players' talent. Still, when you're undersized in totality like we were, it's hard to do work ALL of the forty minutes, regardless of athleticism.

The REAL question is why our offensive line was so ABSOLUTELY dominated. Even Fournette's lone scamper toward the end zone came from a bounce off the edge of the wall of bodies. We lost the line of scrimmage on both sides, and only one of them makes sense, both on paper and to the eye.

I'll give Steele this one. Again, the real problem was our O-line in the run.
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
5145 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:43 am to
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It's his first year working with a depleted defensive roster. He gets a pass.


Agree.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7677 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:43 am to
I agree with the comments about a depleted roster and TOP, and I will add another, simple reason: the defense in the Alabama game benefits from the comparison to the offense. The D played, let's say at a C- level, but the offense, was a flat F. So, you're naturally going to see more complaining about the offense.
Posted by LagdonCG
Member since Jul 2010
998 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:44 am to
Les hires agreement....not talent!
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:47 am to
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Agree.


Along with with Steele and O teaching technique, something that was a foreign concept to the previous defensive staff.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
55797 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:49 am to
He hasn't even had a recruiting cycle yet
Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
1379 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:49 am to
Steele couldn't have done anything. We got dominated in the trenches.
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:16 am to
Watching Henry the other night reminded me of Shaun Alexander tearing us up for 291 back in the 90's.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168457 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:17 am to
This staff is built solely to recruit and the rant still defends them by saying "well but bama has better players!"
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18774 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:24 am to
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No depth
What the hell is going on with Sione and Deondre Clark? Sione didn't even make the trip to Alabama. Our defensive ends stay on the field too much.
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