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re: Why did the playoff go past 8 teams?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:13 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:13 pm to AlaTiger
I still say they should make 4 conferences and everyone must join a conference. Have an 8 team playoff with conference champs getting automatically in. The other 4 picked by computer.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:24 am to AlaTiger
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The only #7 team I can think of was when chaos erupted in 2007 and LSU went from #7 to #2 and then won it all.
Originally the 12-team field included 6 auto-bids. The Top 11 in the last BCS standings in 2007 included the champions of the 6 BCS conferences, 12-0 Hawaii, and 4 other 10-2/11-2/11-1 teams. The last spot could have gone to 10-2 PAC-10 co-champ Arizona St. A 12-team field easily would have made sense that season.
In 1977, there were 8 teams at 10-1 or better plus Ohio St (Big 10 co-champs) at #9, PAC-8 champs at #13, and the ACC champs at #14. That’s another year 12 might have made sense.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:06 am to AlaTiger
Isn’t it ironic now with eight teams left the two weakest teams, Boise State and Arizona State are each 60-1 odds to win national championship. The other six teams each have decent odds to win it. Texas is now the odds favorite to win it playing Arizona State next.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:25 am to FredbullTN
quote:not enough games, only 12 per team.
I’ll be the first to admit I have never taken the time to understand rpi but it seems to work for College Baseball and Basketball…why can’t it work for college football?
And most of those games are confined to one conference with little crossover between conferences.
That's why an undefeated Army team isn’t the same as an undefeated LSU.
College basketball has 30+ games with many OOC games, so there are far more data points for RPI to include.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:00 am to AlaTiger
Money! The teams that “earned’ byes and didn’t even play received $8,000,000 each for their conferences .
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:51 am to AlaTiger
Money is the answer. I was happy at 4 and think 12 is too many. 6 or 8 is as high as I prefer. It keeps the regular season more exciting and meaningful.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:32 am to AlaTiger
4 was plenty. 6 I could get. Anything else is dumb.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:24 am to YeauxTigers
Even better.
Have the teams sell raffle tickets and let a drawing determine the teams. Can’t be any worse and think of the NIL money. :)
Have the teams sell raffle tickets and let a drawing determine the teams. Can’t be any worse and think of the NIL money. :)
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:03 am to Madking
Do all of these conferences even belong in the playoffs? Just because you win a weak conference championship should not qualify for the playoffs over a better team from the SEC or Big 10.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:16 am to PUB
That’s what I meant by asking Sammy do we want a pro league or do we want college football.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:25 am to Madking
Nothing college about it. Pro football with uncontrolled free agency and no salary cap. Can only imagine the slim balls pimping 8th/9th graders for $ via AAU, Jr High ball, etc
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:31 am to PUB
I agree with you and there’s a very strong possibility if it continues to go this way LSUs status will decline. Once it turns into market status only which all pro leagues do we’ll likely end up more like the Saints than we will at the top.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:37 am to FredbullTN
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I’ll be the first to admit I have never taken the time to understand rpi but it seems to work for College Baseball and Basketball…why can’t it work for college football?
You don’t play enough games in football to get a “real feel” for the team’s capabilities
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:29 pm to AlaTiger
Because otherwise the G5 leagues wouldn't have agreed to it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:49 pm to AlaTiger
??
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:24 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I’ll be the first to admit I have never taken the time to understand rpi but it seems to work for College Baseball and Basketball…why can’t it work for college football?
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Sample size is a bigger issue.
Agreed.
In college football, a 7-point favorite will still lose about 3/10 times. And since CFB home field advantages are pretty big, a team that’s a legit 7-point favorite on a neutral field will lose about 4/10 times on the road. The better team doesn’t always win. In fact, the better team loses quite often. When you only play a 12-game season, luck - in terms of both scheduling and on-field bounces - plays a much bigger part than people would like to admit.
In baseball and basketball, you have a much larger sample size to reduce that noise and a much larger tournament field. Neither are really feasible in football due to the physical demands of the game.
It’s somewhat ironically one of the things that made the 4-team playoff (and even the BCS) work. For a team who plays a schedule against legit competition, it becomes incredibly difficult to go 11-1ish and win your conference unless you are way better than everyone else you play. Those teams are way out at the end of the bell curve. As a result, I think it’s actually a lot easier to differentiate the top 2-4 teams than the top 12-16 teams. But the flip side is that the 4 seed in a 4-team playoff will always be more controversial than the 12 seed in a 12-team playoff. So it’s a trade-off.
Personally I think 8 teams would have been plenty. But I have to admit I do like the fact that 12 teams gives us a larger number of meaningful games in November (since more teams are vying for bids) albeit at the expense of de-valuing some of the biggest games.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:30 pm to lostinbr
quote:agreed.
Personally I think 8 teams would have been plenty. But I have to admit I do like the fact that 12 teams gives us a larger number of meaningful games in November (since more teams are vying for bids) albeit at the expense of de-valuing some of the biggest games.
I've always thought 8 teams was ideal, with Power 4 conference champs getting an auto-bid (which keeps conference championships being very valuable) and 4 at-large picks.
8 teams is ideal, but I'm ok with 12. I wouldn't want to expand past 12 though.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:36 pm to AlaTiger
On the surface, it may appear to give other schools a shot, but the bottom line … MONEY.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:45 pm to mdomingue
quote:I think this would be perfect. If you don’t win your conference, you have no right to complain. I don’t care that Penn St. is better than Clemson, Penn State lost their playoff game against Oregon in the B10 championship, while Clemson beat SMU. I also think it should be ND over TX if that’s the way the BCS would have it.
This year that would have been Georgia, Oregon, Arizona State, Clemson, and Boise State, then Texas if you go CFP Rankings, Notre Dame if you use the BCS numbers
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:21 pm to AlaTiger
It’s all made for TV sham 16 is the number going forward. Pathetic they’ve ruined best sport in country
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