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re: why can't LSU have an OL as good as bama

Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:01 am to
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
17184 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:01 am to
The ref conspiracy theory is really old and weak, better players and better coaching end of thread.
Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
10315 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:04 am to
Because no "great" quarterback will come to LSU because we have nobody who can develop him.
Posted by budlight34
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
1155 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:05 am to
hey Texas A&M fans, how bout you play in this conference for more than one year and then come back to us with your opinions. When Alabam goes into your house next year and wins, probably because of some calls they got then we will see what yall have to say then. Until then shut the frick up
Posted by chalupa
Member since Jan 2011
6956 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:08 am to
Because our OL coach is a fat tard.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70143 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:10 am to
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The ref conspiracy theory is really old and weak, better players and better coaching end of thread.


Yeh I am tired of hearing it also. Fanbase sounds like a bunch of losers complaining about the refs.
Posted by GalvoAg
Galveston TX
Member since Apr 2012
11263 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:14 am to
Well he is right, you sound pretty stupid for thinking their O-line is better just because of no calls.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 8:15 am
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:16 am to
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GalvoAg


leave the tards here alone and report back to the SECR kthxbye
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:18 am to
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because Miles thinks its a good idea to have the OL coach split time and try to call plays as well, plus our "scheme" allows defenses way too many advantages when defending us. Thus making every single aspect of our offense seem worse than it really is.


i think this is a couple of the reasons. i question the quality of coaching, esp the pass blocking schemes and perhaps technique as well (i'm not really qualified to prove our technique is poor but it damn sure looks like it). i don't think there's anything wrong with our offensive scheme, it's just that we telegraph our plays. hell, we run the same plays bama does by that, i mean oppossing defenses often know what we are going to do. it seems like we only have certain plays we run in certain situations with certain player groupings. these "tendencies" seem to be ironclad. bama really mixed it up last night (of course notre dame is not an SEC quality defense) and could not stack the box against bama's run game. it starts with the OL and if we don't elevate that group we are doomed to be second tier in the SEC.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 8:21 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105471 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:19 am to
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It certainly helps that Alabama didn't lose 3 of it's starting line during the season.


Logic is not allowed on the Rant, sir.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91461 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:20 am to
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Logic is not allowed on the Rant, sir.





yeah that logic really defended miles craptastic offenses the last few years and play calling right?



Posted by CanIPlay636
Member since Sep 2010
1193 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:27 am to
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One thing is I've just never understood having Stud as an OL coach in the first place. The guy is a OL coach for a spread offense. Miles likes/wants to run a pro-style. I've just never understood why you bring a coach in with a totally different philosophy that you want to run.

And stud has been here how long? As long as Miles? How many players has Stud coached/developed to get drafted? In 8-9 years? That should tell you if we need to make a change


Now this post makes all the sense in the world.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16727 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:27 am to
Consider if Bama lost Warmack and Barrett the way we lost Faulk and Hurst.

It's not an excuse, but certainly is a factor.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:29 am to
Hurst was a turnstile anyway
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:29 am to
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better players and better coaching

There ya go. Among other things, their o-line—along with the entire Bama team top to bottom—appears to be superbly conditioned. Their players are bigger, faster and stronger than their opponents, especially on the two lines and at the linebacker position. Whoever's responsible for their strength and conditioning program is doing an incredible job, worth every penny he earns.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:34 am to
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Consider if Bama lost Warmack and Barrett the way we lost Faulk and Hurst. It's not an excuse, but certainly is a factor.


but that is just this year. last year, when we were crushing teams, it was largely due to our defense and our special teams. our offense was just as bad as this year against the good teams. yes, jl burned the mediocre teams but when we lined up against a damn good front 7 we looked like poo poo ca ca. the nc game just proved it to many but it should have been noticed before that, esp against georgia. w/o tm7 we probably would have lost that game.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37356 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:58 am to
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it's just that we telegraph our plays
I am hardly an expert, but it seems like even the "cupcakes" on our schedule do a good job of guessing our plays. Been that way for years.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16727 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 8:58 am to
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but that is just this year. last year, when we were crushing teams, it was largely due to our defense and our special teams. our offense was just as bad as this year against the good teams. yes, jl burned the mediocre teams but when we lined up against a damn good front 7 we looked like poo poo ca ca. the nc game just proved it to many but it should have been noticed before that, esp against georgia. w/o tm7 we probably would have lost that game

That's because it's not just the quality of the line, but the ability to keep an opponent off balance. You can't load the box against Bama. Look how accurate McCarron was/is. Look how much separation his receivers got. They can actually use their TEs. They are a balanced team. We still aren't there yet.

Our WRs had to break out the juggs gun because they couldn't catch a pass half way through the season. They rarely get separation. Mett is erratic and slow on reads. TEs are invisible. PLay calling is too predictable. But beyond that it's execution. Saban demands perfection and execution. Fear is a good motivator. Miles and staff need to put more fear into their players. Miles can still have the love of his players while being a strict task master. It can be done.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
21920 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:00 am to
The biggest difference between LSU and Alabama is the OL. Across the board at all other positions I think the teams are evenly matched, but its the OL where Bama has a clear edge. AJ is a good QB made better by having all day to throw. Even LSUs QBs could execute Studs simplistic predictable scheme effectively if they had the protection AJ has. A real OC would help, but LSUs biggest problem is OL play.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4132 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:00 am to
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why can't LSU have an OL as good as bama

Bama O-line
TE Michael Williams SR
OG Chance Warmack SR
C Barrett Jones SR
OG Anthony Steen JR
OT DJ Fluker JR
TE Kelly Johnson SR

LSU O-line
TE Chase Clement SR (Second TE Dickson SO)
OT Josh Dworaczyk SR
OT Vadal Alexander FR
C P.J. Lonergan SR
RG Trai Turner FR
LG La'el Collins SO

Experience. There you go!!
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23282 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:04 am to
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Alabama is the only team in the country not called for a holding penalty all season long.


Is that a fact?
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