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Why (and who)built the culture of playing for yourself at LSU? facts included
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:14 am
From 2018
If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors
So what gives?
quote:
“When I came in, kids were (saying), ‘Three years and I’m out of here,’ ” said Clapp, the Tigers’ former All-Southeastern Conference guard and center. “We hadn’t hit the field yet and we got guys thinking three-years-and-out. It’s a mindset people come in with. I think it is a culture thing.”
There is an epidemic at LSU that is becoming ingrained in its purple-and-gold fabric: Underclassmen, even those projected as late- or mid-round selections, are declaring for the NFL draft at a higher rate than any other college program in the nation.
Over the past six years, 32 non-seniors at LSU declared for the draft. That is eight more than the next closest team, Florida State (24). Florida is next at 23 before a jumble of programs round out the top 10: Alabama, Clemson and OhioState (20 each), Southern California (19), Stanford and Notre Dame (15 each) and UCLA (14).
Those are some of college football’s bluest blue bloods. The powerhouse programs on that list speak to a fact rooted in common sense: sign the nation’s most talented high school prospects, win with them and watch them by Year 3 become NFL ready.
But, here on the eve of the 2018 NFL draft in this sprawling Dallas suburb, the widening gap between LSU and others begs for more of an explanation. The Tigers are signing similar talent than most of these clubs, according to recruiting rankings.
Why are they losing underclassmen at a drastically higher rate?
“If it would be for just one reason, it would be easy to fix,” said Mike Detillier, NFL draft analyst for WWL-AM.
If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors
So what gives?
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
When you sell yourself as basically a minor league team, that’s what happens.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
Lester will be here soon to tell you, this isn’t a problem and not a “culture” issue. He will then do dishonest mental gymnastics to explain juniors declaring early and not getting drafted...”writing was on the wall...he got picked up on a practice squad”
Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:18 am to jimbeam
I imagine every program sells the nfl though
Is LSU and O literally selling that and only that?
Is LSU and O literally selling that and only that?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
your own article tells you the answer to your question
quote:
“It hurts you, but the reality is in that next recruiting year, you better have more guys,” former coach Les Miles said. “The ability to market that, it’s like Kentucky (basketball) with the one-and-done.”
Miles was leading the program during this trend’s beginning in Baton Rouge. He used the NFL as a recruiting tool. LSU coaches pitched to prospects a three-year-and-out model, promising to have them NFL-ready after Year 3. They also used departing juniors — and their vacant starting positions — as ways to woo kids to campus for early playing time.
Said Clapp, recalling his classmates’ recruitment: “The coaches were saying, ‘We get you in and out. Three-year deal.’ ”
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:22 am to Salmon
quote:So you are telling me other coaches arent telling players they are going to get them to the NFL fast?
your own article tells you the answer to your question
It has to be more nuanced than that. We must truly push that it the most important thing. YOU the indiviudal is the most important thing
If thats true this program is and will continue to be toxic
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
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So you are telling me other coaches arent telling players they are going to get them to the NFL fast?
no, I'm not telling you that
but maybe they were not selling it as hard?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
quote:
Is LSU and O literally selling that and only that?
One would have to assume cause and effect applies. If your program is seeing higher than typical effect, you can assume higher than typical cause. Honestly, no one should be surprised this is happening if that his how O is recruiting. Sometimes how you do something is just as important on what you get done.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:25 am to Salmon
quote:Yeh im spitballing here too
no, I'm not telling you that
but maybe they were not selling it as hard?
But clearly something is different within LSU
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
quote:
If you add in the opt outs, 2019 numbers, LSUs lead in players leaving early is growing over our competitors So what gives?
It started under Miles as a recruiting tactic. I honestly don’t think O is selling this the same way Miles was, but it’s ingrained in the program. He would have to make a concerted effort to change the culture away from it now. I think he has to or it will eventually cost him this job.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
Who knows, this has been an issue since 2011/2012 and it sucks.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:35 am to jimbeam
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When you sell yourself as basically a minor league team, that’s what happens.
What is Alabama selling these out of state five stars?
The diffence isn’t first rounders coming back. It convincing guys they can improve their stock coming back another year.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:35 am to bstew3006
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Lester will be here soon to tell you, this isn’t a problem and not a “culture” issue. He will then do intellectual dishonest gymnastics to explain juniors declaring early and not getting drafted...”writing was on the wall...he got picked up on a practice squad”
Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
he will also reaffirm that we are all delusional to think that we can put ourselves in a consistent class with alabama/osu/clemson and that we fans have unrealistic expectations
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
We had a punter leave early for the draft...who did NOT get drafted.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:37 am to misey94
Competence, or lack thereof, will cost him his job before culture.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:37 am to lsupride87
Coach O has successfully recruited kids back to school, and has spoken publicly about it. LSU under him hasn’t many many issues with the fringey guys leaving.
Besides, deep down that is every schools’ goal. You don’t win without 3 year players.
You don’t think nick Saban goes into a kids home & sells them on the ability to play in the nfl? That’s what the kids want.
Besides, deep down that is every schools’ goal. You don’t win without 3 year players.
You don’t think nick Saban goes into a kids home & sells them on the ability to play in the nfl? That’s what the kids want.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:39 am to lsupride87
If I was really good at making and selling fried chicken, why would I waste four years and $80,000 to learn what I already know how to do better than those “teaching” (coaching) me? Why not just go ahead and open my own chain of fried chicken stores?
Because that’s what this guy did!
It’s not LSU’s fault that kids in other programs get sucked into making more money for the school or getting the head coach a fatter contract. That’s not why you go to college. Once you’re ready to make it on your own, degree or no degree, you might as well get started!
Because that’s what this guy did!
It’s not LSU’s fault that kids in other programs get sucked into making more money for the school or getting the head coach a fatter contract. That’s not why you go to college. Once you’re ready to make it on your own, degree or no degree, you might as well get started!
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:40 am to bstew3006
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Players such as Devonta, Najee, leatherwood, etienne return, but players of that caliber at LSU leave. Those players help mask/cover holes from other departed players and help solidify consistency
Alabama had 6 underclassmen enter the draft last year lol.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:40 am to Lester Earl
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Coach O has successfully recruited kids back to school, and has spoken publicly about it. LSU under him hasn’t many many issues with the fringey guys leaving.
He did get Shelvin, Vincent and Stevens back but Covid fricked that up.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:42 am to Geauxld Finger
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we are all delusional to think that we can put ourselves in a consistent class with alabama/osu/clemson and that we fans have unrealistic expectations
Alabama, yes. No one is in their class.
LSU fired a coach just a few years ago lol. I mean frick.
LSU is in Ohio st & clemsons class. LSU is very firmly in that second tier.
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