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re: Who was a more questionable hire Mike Archer, Curley Hallman, Gerry DiNardo or Ed Orgeron?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:06 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:06 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
quote:O, by a good margin.
Who was a more questionable hire Mike Archer, Curley Hallman, Gerry DiNardo or Ed Orgeron?
Archer- handpicked successor to Arnsparger, was the defensive coordinator for a team known for dominating defenses. Well after the fact, people bitched that we hired Archer instead of Spurrier, and that we took the recommendation of a guy leaving to be AD at another SEC school. But at the time, it was about like if we were to promote Aranda, instead of getting an outsider with an offensive focus. And Spurrier wasn't yet big.
Hallman- came in after Archer, who didn't recruit. Hallman was able to beat Fla State and some SEC programs. At the time, he was the hot mid-major prospect. People expected with the much greater ceiling at LSU, he would right the ship. This was the equivalent of the Herman hire at Texas. Instead, disaster.
Dinardo- he changed Vanderbilt from patsy joke to tough out, had the 'Dores playing to their potential. Again, the idea was that at a school with a higher ceiling, he'd excel. This was the exact same approach that caused Penn State to hire Franklin from Vandy. And Dinardo did accomplish the bulk of the mission.
Orgeron- I really can't see the precedent, or a valid comparison. People say Dabo Swinney, but Dabo didn't have a brutally failed past HC gig like Orgeron did with Ole Miss. Other people say he earned a shot by having a "successful" interim run, but he had multiple losses as both USC and LSU interim- it's not like he took over and ran the table. Had he done THAT, I'd say there would be a lot more of a reason to let him stay... but he lost to Bama and Florida. We ran Miles off because he couldn't beat Bama, and lost to inferior SEC teams after awhile. Don't understand hiring the interim who did the same exact thing.
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:19 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Gerry DiNardo was a great hire at the time and frick you for adding him to the poll. Just shows how long you've been a fan.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:24 pm to thenza
Dinardo was the most arrogant SOB to have ever coached at LSU.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:31 pm to rbdallas
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Dinardo was the most arrogant SOB to have ever coached at LSU.
Have you forgotten Nick Saban coached here too? Saban has been the most arrogant coach in football since the 90's, rivalled only by Spurrier at his peak.
You have to separate your emotions from rational thought and judgement.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:16 pm to S
quote:. Correct
DiNardo shouldn’t be in that group son.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:19 pm to Scoob
quote:
O, by a good margin.
Archer was A joke of A hire... Way worse than O....
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:24 pm to tiger chaser
quote:
To Damn Young
I know that's right. I wish I were young again, and get a mulligan.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:25 pm to dukke v
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Archer was A joke of A hire... Way worse than O....
I disagree, Archer wasn't that bad. What killed him IMO was that he some how got it in his head that he couldn't win a championship with Louisiana players and put a emphasis on Texas and Houston and put Louisiana on the back burner. All the while out of state schools Texas A&M, Florida State, Nebraska, Colorado came in here and took some elite talent. That was the beginning of the end for him. He wasn't ready for a program at LSU's level at that age.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:26 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
quote:
Ed Orgeron
It's not close
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:51 pm to dukke v
quote:Not back then, he wasn't.
quote:
O, by a good margin.
Archer was A joke of A hire... Way worse than O....
Arnsparger's program was very respected, and people didn't want to rebuild and do something new, they wanted to maintain what was going on.
Archer was Arnsparger's right-hand man, he ran the defenses (which was Bill's forte), so continuity was the goal.
It turned out that Archer didn't have what it took to recruit and run the program, but the concept was sound.
What was the rationale for promoting O?
Continuity? But we FIRED Miles, so we DID want change. And honestly, Miles gave more authority and freedom to Aranda than he did O, so you'd think Aranda was the better mind (in terms of running the program as-is).
O was a stop-gap, with prior functional experience as a HC, so in theory he could do the day-to-day stuff. But while he had done it, he had never proven he was great at it, his past ranged from awful (Ole Miss) to average (USC and LSU). Remember, losing 2 games in less than a full season at either program isn't great, it's pretty damn bad when you consider the standards there.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:42 pm to dukke v
No, I don't think Meyer would have come here. I mentioned him to make a point.
My point is O was objectively a worse hire than Archer, Hallman, or Dinardo. In hindsight it looks terrible that LSU hired Archer over either Spurrier or Shanahan. However, why does everyone assume LSU couldn't have hired an elite coach last year? Alleva totally failed. He either (a) panicked and gave up before doing a thorough search and negotiation, or (b) cynically conducted a sham search with the idea to cheap out and hire Orgeron. We literally could have landed O with the AD position vacant. That's how bad the result was and how poorly Alleva did his job.
Head-to-head, Archer was a stronger candidate than Orgeron. He was a promising, up-and-coming, talented DC. We don't really know if either Spurrier or Shanahan would have come so that is similar to the situation with Fisher or Herman. We also don't know what Fisher is going to do at A&M or Herman at Texas so while you have the benefit of hindsight for Archer, you don't for O.
So tell me, do you think the O hire would have been worse if Alleva had actually done his job and negotiated with several other candidates and then resorted to hiring O, say maybe 2 months later? I don't see how anyone can say that.
My point is O was objectively a worse hire than Archer, Hallman, or Dinardo. In hindsight it looks terrible that LSU hired Archer over either Spurrier or Shanahan. However, why does everyone assume LSU couldn't have hired an elite coach last year? Alleva totally failed. He either (a) panicked and gave up before doing a thorough search and negotiation, or (b) cynically conducted a sham search with the idea to cheap out and hire Orgeron. We literally could have landed O with the AD position vacant. That's how bad the result was and how poorly Alleva did his job.
Head-to-head, Archer was a stronger candidate than Orgeron. He was a promising, up-and-coming, talented DC. We don't really know if either Spurrier or Shanahan would have come so that is similar to the situation with Fisher or Herman. We also don't know what Fisher is going to do at A&M or Herman at Texas so while you have the benefit of hindsight for Archer, you don't for O.
So tell me, do you think the O hire would have been worse if Alleva had actually done his job and negotiated with several other candidates and then resorted to hiring O, say maybe 2 months later? I don't see how anyone can say that.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:46 pm to Manswers
Dinardo helped turn LSU around from 5 losing seasons. I think archer and coach O are along the same lines.
If we felt like we had to have coach O give him a two year deal with no buyout. He would have taken whatever we gave him. I don’t have an issue as much with the hiring as I do with the contract. It was horrible negotiation.
If we felt like we had to have coach O give him a two year deal with no buyout. He would have taken whatever we gave him. I don’t have an issue as much with the hiring as I do with the contract. It was horrible negotiation.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:03 pm to Houston Texas Tiger
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Dinardo helped turn LSU around from 5 losing seasons. I think archer and coach O are along the same lines. If we felt like we had to have coach O give him a two year deal with no buyout. He would have taken whatever we gave him. I don’t have an issue as much with the hiring as I do with the contract. It was horrible negotiation.
I think Archer was a better risk than O but I agree with everything else you say. And you pull the trigger on that deal with O after you make Jimbo, Herman, Mullen, and at least two other coaches on Mullen's level tell you "no".
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:16 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Many of you are either too young or your memory is as short as your....
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:21 pm to Manswers
quote:Archer was the same risk that Smart and Muschamp were, and that Aranda would be: young, respected defensive coordinator who's been around a successful program, that you're asking to take over and keep things running. Archer was a miss, but it wasn't insane then, nor is it now.
I think Archer was a better risk than O
Dinardo is the same as James Franklin- elevated Vandy to a team you'd have to work to beat, instead of a team you beat 49-7. Concept is, give them a better program, see if they continue to maximize what they have.
Hallman is like hiring the coach at Boise, UCF (Frost), etc. Again, concept is give them a bigger program with a better schedule, see if they can keep winning.
I honestly don't know what Orgeron is... he's the interim head coach, because he knew how to do 'head coach' things and you fired the HC mid-season. But he has never been the interim that won so much you'd have to keep him.
If he were a player on the field, Orgeron is the career backup QB who sucked in the past as a starter in the NFL. In a pinch he can run the offense, so you put him in instead of the talented young rookie; but you don't build your team around him.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:28 pm to HotBoudin
Curley was the worst coach in LSU history. Look at his record. But at the time of the hiring he was thought to be an up and coming coach. O had a much worse history as head coach coming in. I think the book will be written this year in how well the team competes and next years recruiting class. We will find everything we need to know about O good or bad in the next 12 months. He is solidifying the line of scrimmage. As always the season will be make or break based on the ability to have an effective passing game.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:13 pm to Lsupimp
quote:. At the time, Archer was the up and coming name in DCs. Shannahan didn’t have any HC experience yet. Spurrierdid but he didn’t have the resume he has now. Archer was the recommendation of the departing head coach who had an incredibly successful tenure.
Mike Archer was worse because of who they turned down- Steve Spurrier and Mike Shanahan for starters.
It was our second coordinator promotion, neither ended great, but clearly LSU learned from that not to promote untested coordinators. Instead we promoted a D line coach with an impressive resume of losing as a full time head coach. Let’s hope and pray LSU didn’t make another mistake.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:18 pm to Houston Texas Tiger
In order of worse hire
1. O
2. DiNardo (we did save 500k a year with that hire, pre Joe Dean)
3. Archer just think we did a real coaching search and went with Archer as he was not the LSU coach in name only (handling many things Bob did not want to do.)
Hallman was not questioned much at the time of his hiring due to Southern Miss experience. But he is still the worse coach in LSU history with only Mayhew and one other close.
1. O
2. DiNardo (we did save 500k a year with that hire, pre Joe Dean)
3. Archer just think we did a real coaching search and went with Archer as he was not the LSU coach in name only (handling many things Bob did not want to do.)
Hallman was not questioned much at the time of his hiring due to Southern Miss experience. But he is still the worse coach in LSU history with only Mayhew and one other close.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:18 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:he was winnnng at Duke.
And you’re acting like the Spurrier who interviewed for the job in 1987 had the same resume as 1999 Spurrier.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:54 pm to Tiger1988
Spurrier was not the head coach at Duke at that time,
He was hired by Duke in 1987 after he interviewed for the LSU job.
He was hired by Duke in 1987 after he interviewed for the LSU job.
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