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re: Who was a more questionable hire Mike Archer, Curley Hallman, Gerry DiNardo or Ed Orgeron?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:13 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:13 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
I suppose I would have to say Coach Orgeron, but Curly Hallman is a close second, imo. The only reason he won at Southern Miss. was Favre.
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:20 pm to tigger1
I remember being shocked when I heard that Gerry DiNardo was the new head coach at LSU. We had been promised a great new coach and got a guy from Vanderbilt with a losing record every year. A couple of his teams were pretty good at LSU, but that 1999 team was embarrassing.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:33 pm to TigersFan64
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Spurrier was not the head coach at Duke at that time, He was hired by Duke in 1987 after he interviewed for the LSU job
True and very important point that gets overlooked.
Spurrier was a former Heisman at Florida, and had never been a head coach at all until he took over a USFL team (no prior HC jobs in college). The USFL lasted 3 seasons, his teams were pretty fun to watch, but I remember they were mediocre but focused on a multiple-skilled RB (Garry Anderson, I think from Arkansas), and he never won anything big there (in comparison, Jim Mora won 2 of the 3 titles before coming to the Saints).
Per wikipedia, Spurrier didn't have a job after the USFL (which ended in 85), until he took the Duke job in 87.
So: you're asking the LSU AD to decide who to replace Bill Arnsparger after an impressive stretch; his own defensive coordinator, who's been with this team during the run, or a Fla guy who's been unemployed.
If we replace Orgeron now, would you rather Dave Aranda, or, I dunno, Danny Weurffel? I know Weurffel doesn't have the USFL background, but otherwise it's pretty close.
quote:Hallman did win at Southern Miss, and he did have Favre.
I suppose I would have to say Coach Orgeron, but Curly Hallman is a close second, imo. The only reason he won at Southern Miss. was Favre.
Now go look at Orgeron, and tell me- where did he win, and who did he have?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:36 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Ed Orgeron is one of the most baffling hires in sports history. A known failure who did nothing to earn the job as interim.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:53 pm to Tigerdev
Hallman, when last I heard, was coaching in high school.
After Ole Miss, Orgeron coached at Tennessee as an assistant, USC as an assistant and interim head coach, the Saints as an assistant and LSU as an assistant and interim head coach before getting the head job.
Orgeron has much more respect among college coaches than Hallman or
Mike Archer. Isn't Archer out of coaching?
Joe Dean hired Hallman. Who hired Archer?
After Ole Miss, Orgeron coached at Tennessee as an assistant, USC as an assistant and interim head coach, the Saints as an assistant and LSU as an assistant and interim head coach before getting the head job.
Orgeron has much more respect among college coaches than Hallman or
Mike Archer. Isn't Archer out of coaching?
Joe Dean hired Hallman. Who hired Archer?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:00 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Mike Archer was terrible.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:25 pm to LayupKing
>Joe Dean hired Hallman. Who hired Archer?
Archer was hired after Brodhead was fired but before Dean was hired.
Archer was hired after Brodhead was fired but before Dean was hired.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:29 pm to lsupicker
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I remember being shocked when I heard that Gerry DiNardo was the new head coach at LSU. We had been promised a great new coach and got a guy from Vanderbilt with a losing record every year.
True, but for what it's worth, he turned a program that was going 1-10 every year into a regular 5-6 team. That's a 500% improvement in wins. Not too shabby...
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:30 pm to Geauxgurt
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O is the only one that was a proven massive failure as a head coach and never been in charge of either side of the ball.
Not true. He was a defensive coordinator at Ole Miss.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:31 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Hallman by far!! He did nothing but sit on the sideline and watch Brett Farvvvvvra play.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:31 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Hallman was awful, but that was a different era. Given context, Coach O by a landslide, the buyout and deal length were particularly puzzling given that no power 5 team outside of maybe the token academic cellar dwellers would have taken his call if he was angling for a HC gig.
Gerry DiNardo for all his flaws (lax discipline, Lou Tepper loyalty, etc) “brought the magic back”, got Death Valley rocking again, and started building in state connections that helped stem the flow of top talent to schools like FSU, Miami, A&M, and pretty much every decent SEC team. He set the table for Saban in some respects and Saban took it to another level.
DiNardo brought the magic, Orgeron might very well snuff it out. We are not immune to being relegated to in state table scraps again.
Gerry DiNardo for all his flaws (lax discipline, Lou Tepper loyalty, etc) “brought the magic back”, got Death Valley rocking again, and started building in state connections that helped stem the flow of top talent to schools like FSU, Miami, A&M, and pretty much every decent SEC team. He set the table for Saban in some respects and Saban took it to another level.
DiNardo brought the magic, Orgeron might very well snuff it out. We are not immune to being relegated to in state table scraps again.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:34 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Archer wasn't that bad. What killed him IMO was that he some how got it in his head that he couldn't win a championship with Louisiana players and put a emphasis on Texas and Houston and put Louisiana on the back burner. All the while out of state schools Texas A&M, Florida State, Nebraska, Colorado came in here and took some elite talent.
But that wasn't his fault. The head of the Baton Rouge NAACP publicly accused him of being racist for starting a white quarterback. After that, all of Louisiana's best black players signed with Florida State, Miami, Michigan, etc.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:45 pm to JJ27
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I thought he never got an interview because he was met at the Baton Rouge airport by some low level assistant and told the job was already filled?
Not true. He wasn't taken as seriously as Archer, but they did give the then-usual treatment of talking/listening to him and then taking him to meet Gov. Edwards, etc.
Last year when Tim Brando said that Fisher and Herman need ignore LSU and Louisiana politics and run the other way, it was because Brando hasn't been in Louisiana enough over the last thirty years to realize that prospective coaches are no longer taken immediately to meet the Huey Longs and Edwin Edwardses to be sized up, etc.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:22 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
1. Hallman
2. Archer
3. DiNardo
4. Orgeron
2. Archer
3. DiNardo
4. Orgeron
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:24 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Archer.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:30 pm to Scoob
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Hallman did win at Southern Miss, and he did have Favre. Now go look at Orgeron, and tell me- where did he win, and who did he have?
Can't really argue with you. I suppose one can say Orgeron did okay as the interim coach at USC, but that's about it. And the administration there thought better of making him the HC permanently. To me, that's rather telling.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:55 pm to Lsupimp
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When LSU hired Archer that had more wins in the previous 4 seasons than at any time in LSU history (1984-1987) and they had Steve Spurrier begging for the gig.
It looks worse in retrospect than it did at the time. Nobody knew what Spurrier would eventually do. They both appeared to be up-and-comers at the time.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:57 pm to TheDude321
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Not true. He was a defensive coordinator at Ole Miss.
Orgeron has never been a coordinator anywhere.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:02 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
O
He was a failure
We are established and should do better
He was a failure
We are established and should do better
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:03 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Literally no other program in the entire NCAA hires O as HC
Didn’t Syracuse turn him down a few years back?
Didn’t Syracuse turn him down a few years back?
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