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re: Which past LSU team had best chance vs 2019
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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The 2 edges were solid at pass rushing but were not that good at pass rushing.
That starting D-Line alone combined for 23 sacks and 46 TFLs. You're just arguing from nothing but self-authority. I thought you were a data person.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:23 am to therick711
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That D-Line alone combined for 23 sacks and 46 TFLs
Cool.
I specifically brought up the edges and how they'd do without blitzing. Even bringing up zone blitz is somewhat irrelevant b/c that's all based on playing off the blitz primarily, which wouldn't exist against a 2019 team.
I never referenced Lavalais or Williams.
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You're just arguing from nothing but self-authority.
I brought up Spears absolute failure at pass rushing in the NFL. He only had 6 sacks in 2003 and 23 QB pressures. The elite edge today gets more than double that.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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I brought up Spears absolute failure at pass rushing in the NFL. He only had 6 sacks in 2003 and 23 QB pressures. The elite edge today gets more than double that.
Cool. The NFL performance isn't relevant to the inquiry. Spears is 7th all time in LSU history in sacks. Your problem is you started with the end in mind and didn't have the facts to back it up. Your next step was to gather things that seemed to support what was previously unsupported. You settled on draft profiles and pro experiences. Ok. Good for you. It doesn't match what they demonstrated in that season and in their collegiate play overall.
For instance, it doesn't matter a bit to me that Lavalais didn't produce in the NFL. He produced in college. A college game is what we're talking about, fictitious though it is.
2003 had two of the top 10 pass rushers as measured by sacks in school history. Both "edges."
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
but according to the rant in 2019 our defense was the weak link
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:41 am to KC Tiger
I think the only way the 2011 team beats 2019 is if special teams and/or defense ripped off a couple scores, because the offense simply was not good enough to even dream of keeping up with 2019 team...but think Auburn 2019 game keeping it in 20s and 2011 LSU getting a few splash big plays from defense/ST and could pull it off
Other than that I like 2006 the most because the offense was really good and the defense still plenty capable of not letting it get out of hand on that end.
Other than that I like 2006 the most because the offense was really good and the defense still plenty capable of not letting it get out of hand on that end.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:51 am to therick711
Don’t sleep on 2007. Matt Flynn at QB. And several clutch wins: Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Tennessee.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:56 am to therick711
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Your problem is you started with the end in mind and didn't have the facts to back it up.
I literally just posted stats. 23 pressures isn't elite.
Accumulated career stats isn't relevant to his in-game pass rush ability. He played 4 years and started before LSU was elite.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:57 am to Grad92
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but according to the rant in 2019 our defense was the weak link
Well when your offense is that good...
But the problem is the 2011 team's offense is so limited, it doesn't take a great D to best them.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Inferior QB talent and vastly inferior scheme.
the 2003 and 2019 team played in two different eras of football. That oklahoma offense was considered at that time one of the best of all time, and they were demolished by LSU. comparing the two exactly how they played in their era is difficult to do. the point im making is that the talent of the 2003 team, with the coaching of the 2019 game, would be the most competitive defense to beat 2019.
hers was more of what they simply did for that team.
what the 2003 line could do was provide pressure up the middle and contain the pocket. When Burrow got outside the pocket, it was almost an automatic big play or TD. No college team was going to get to Burrow enough to confuse him. The best chance would have been to make him stay in the pocket, which sounds crazy to do, but if you can get pressure up the middle, which Lavalais and Williams would absolutely do, and then the ends keep him in the pocket, then I think that's the best way to beat him.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:58 am to thunderbird1100
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I think the only way the 2011 team beats 2019 is if special teams and/or defense ripped off a couple scores
People forget how important these were in 2011 to that team. ST and defensive scores swung games.
One of the most underrated things Bama did on 1/9/12 was just not make major mistakes. We had NOTHING in return and couldn't cross the 50.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:08 am to KC Tiger
2011 with Honey Badger scoring with a couple big turnovers.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:13 am to KC Tiger
2011 defense could keep that team close in almost any game.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:17 am to azcatiger
2003…but they would still lose to ‘19. That 2019 team was the best of all time.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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I remember arguing that 2006 would beat them when people were trying to crown 2011 as the GOAT midseason...only to then have 1/9/12 show people the truth.
1/9/12 did not show anyone that 06 would beat 2011.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:25 am to KC Tiger
Give me Davey and Reed and try to out score them. That is the only hope. No one is stopping the 2019 Offense.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:27 am to vidtiger23
It showed that without huge ST/Defensive plays, the offensive scheme and QB talent was so bad we couldn't do shite.
2006 would be able to contain that offense, with an offense that could score against them.
2019 would be able to contain that offense, with an offense that could score against them.
2007, while healthy, maybe could. The shaky QB play would be an issue, which is why I put 2011 over 2007.
2003? Naw. Mauck was too combustible in big games.
Hence, my initial response:
2006 would be able to contain that offense, with an offense that could score against them.
2019 would be able to contain that offense, with an offense that could score against them.
2007, while healthy, maybe could. The shaky QB play would be an issue, which is why I put 2011 over 2007.
2003? Naw. Mauck was too combustible in big games.
Hence, my initial response:
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2006 is the 2nd best team of the modern (2000 onward) era.
Then probably 2011, 2007, 2003 in that order
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:33 am to KC Tiger
No love for 2013? Would have the offensive talent to keep up
with Mett at QB; Hill, Magee & Blue at RB; OBJ, Landry at WR, and had a top 10 defense
with Mett at QB; Hill, Magee & Blue at RB; OBJ, Landry at WR, and had a top 10 defense
Posted on 8/2/23 at 11:36 am to Weekend Warrior79
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No love for 2013? Would have the offensive talent to keep up
They got beaten down by Alabama. If they couldn't hold their own against them, 2019 would have annihilated them.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 12:28 pm to KC Tiger
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Which past LSU team had best chance vs 2019
The style of play is just so different. The 2003 and 2006 teams played a different style of defense and offense so it would be a mismatch because of the style of offense the game has adapted to. Jack Hunt is not covering a soul. Sanders wouldn't be able to cover Clyde or Moss.
But I will say those defensive lines would give 2019's offensive line fits but Burrow would again adapt and go to a more quick passing attack to combat the pass rush. That 2019 team was too good offensively for any team to stop them.
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