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re: When we got Saban from Michigan State what stood out about him?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:08 am to SlidellCajun
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:08 am to SlidellCajun
I went to school with Joe Dean & he is a dick head!



Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:12 am to Alt26
quote:That's not on the upswing when they had been consistently below .500 prior to his arrival?
He had Michigan State on the upswing after they'd kinda faded into mediocrity under Perles.
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Really, it wasn't until his final season at MSU that they had gotten beyond right around .500.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:12 am to 1badboy
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Joe Dean
held us back for a generation or so
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:16 am to goatmilker
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Top three things 1. recruiting 2. recruiting 3. recruiting
Maybe so, but what stood out to me was how he took our losing players under DiNardo and turned them into winners in his first year. The year before, the first adverse event led to a collapse of the entire LSU effort. That first year the team stood its ground and had a winning record. The second year LSU won the SEC title. All of this was before the effects of recruiting became apparent.
Also, Saban was a Mark Emmert (Chancellor) project. Dean (AD) was sidelined as he wanted to keep DiNardo. Emmert was an academic from UConn. I presume he had seen what the UConn basketball team had done for the University. Emmert went to friends who knew football; these friends suggested Saban after he asked who was the best.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:29 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Skip had nothing to do with Saban's hire. Skip was the Baseball coach at that time not the AD. Joe Dean was the one that wanted to low ball him. Dean told Emmert that I think I can get him for 900,000 a year. Emmert told him no, you give him our best offer, and that was 1.2 million I think. At that point Dean was a lame duck AD and vertually had no real power. Emmert was the power behind the hire and even lead the interviews
This is all correct.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:01 am to Y.A. Tittle
Morris Watts was Sabans OC and was very successful OC at LSU before going back north to Michigan State.
Morris told Saban that LSU was a sleeping giant and it helped sell Saban on the south and LSU in particular.
Morris told Saban that LSU was a sleeping giant and it helped sell Saban on the south and LSU in particular.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:03 am to tigersnip
i remember his hairy arms.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:06 am to Tigers4Lyfe
Saban had brought Mich St. up to the no. 10 ranking in the country at the time of our hire.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:09 am to Im4LSUnTN
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a strong pedigree as a Belicheck coaching disciple.
In December of 1999, this didn't carry a ton of weight. Being a "Belichick disciple" wasn't a great calling card at the time. When we hired Saban, Belichick was an assistant coach for the Jets and had been fired from the Browns a few years prior. Saban didn't have a big reputation back then, which is why it was such a newsworthy move to do what we did and pay such a young coach that large a sum of money. Moost people didn't know much about Saban at all until his Michigan State team beat Michigan and Ohio State in 1999
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:17 am to tigersnip
This is an important question for people like Woody to consider. The best coaches today were unproven/unknowns when they got their shot. Saban had one good (2-loss) season and 4 seasons hovering around .500 at MSU. Kirby was a DC when he got UGA. Dabo was a WR coach. Day was a co OC.
You don’t have to reset the market and steal someone already established. There are a handful of guys out there that are relative unknowns that are going to be top 5 coaches in a few years. You just have to be able to identify and evaluate them.
Matt Campbell is a great example. ISU is a much weaker program than, say, Michigan State historically. No history and they are in a location that no one that’s not from there wants to be. They don’t have a great recruiting base and are the little brother program. Yet he’s turned them into a serious threat and is winning at an unprecedented level for ISU. Would it translate to LSU? I don’t know, but I’ll bet in 5 years, he’ll be where Riley is today with some blue blood throwing ridiculous $ at him to try and pry him away. I hope Woodward isn’t only head hunting guys that have been to the playoffs at a top 15 type program. There are a few diamonds out there that would win just as big or bigger at LSU and won’t require 12-15 mil a year to get them here.
You don’t have to reset the market and steal someone already established. There are a handful of guys out there that are relative unknowns that are going to be top 5 coaches in a few years. You just have to be able to identify and evaluate them.
Matt Campbell is a great example. ISU is a much weaker program than, say, Michigan State historically. No history and they are in a location that no one that’s not from there wants to be. They don’t have a great recruiting base and are the little brother program. Yet he’s turned them into a serious threat and is winning at an unprecedented level for ISU. Would it translate to LSU? I don’t know, but I’ll bet in 5 years, he’ll be where Riley is today with some blue blood throwing ridiculous $ at him to try and pry him away. I hope Woodward isn’t only head hunting guys that have been to the playoffs at a top 15 type program. There are a few diamonds out there that would win just as big or bigger at LSU and won’t require 12-15 mil a year to get them here.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:22 am to tigersnip
The only thing I knew about him at the time was that he lost a bowl game to Gerry DiNardo.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:23 am to tigersnip
Many people we disappointed when we hired Nick Saban. That is the truth. No one down here knew who he was.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:28 am to tigersnip
Actually, not much as a lot were dismissive remembering his defeat in Shreveport..
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:47 am to tigersnip
I remember nobody really knowing who he was other than dinardo beat him in the independence bowl a few years before.
It wasn’t until about 3/4 through his first season that we knew we had something special IMO.
It wasn’t until about 3/4 through his first season that we knew we had something special IMO.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:24 am to tigersnip
His interview. Scott Woodward himself states they went to interview Saban, but he end up interviewing LSU. He blew everyone away
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:34 am to ccomeaux
Truer words have never been spoken. The takeaway is, DON'T LISTEN TO THE FAN BASE!
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:47 am to tigersnip
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When we got Saban from Michigan State what stood out about him?
Taking the job evidently. The other 5 before him turned it down
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:57 am to tigersnip
Four years as an NFL DC, was being looked at by NFL teams for head coaching jobs, beat 3 teams that finished in the top 15 in 1999 (including Michigan who was still getting almost any national recruit they wanted at the time)
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