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What We All Knew but Never Bothered to Quantify. SECHQ Heavy on the Gumps.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:29 pm
With the help of some Alabama fans I would like to submit the following...
Thanks again Alabama fans from a previous SEC Rant topic. I couldnt have done it without you.
Your incessant, mindless trolling aka, Grolling(Gump Trolling), provided me with the motivation and strength to delve deeper into this not-so-hotly but has-always-been-plainly-obvious-from-the-outside, contested matter.
Yall have been right all along. Bama doesnt lose. They only beat themselves.
...and their sister-wives
...and their uncle-daddies
etc.
TL;DR - Alabama stacks the deck from the top.
*EDIT*
Cant believe I missed this point. For all those making the argument that its only natural for there to be more U of Alabama grads in the SECHQ since its in the same State, well explain all the missing Auburn grads @ SECAHQ....
Credit goes to ibleedprplngld...
quote:
Go research the alma mater of every admin in the SECHQ. Come up with a percentage of Alabama grads. If that number is anywhere near 7%, which should be the correct percentage based on the number of Universities in the SEC, then Ill let this issue go.
If its more than a few percentage points above that then either Alabama grads make the best administrator hires out of all the schools in the conference, a conference that includes Vanderbilt #14 in the nation in education, Florida #42 in the nation education, Georgia #54, TAMU #69, Auburn #103, USC #103 and UT #104 or there is major conscious bias in the hiring at SECHQ.
BTW, Alabama is #110. Literally half the schools in the conference are ranked higher, 3 of them twice as high.
quote:
...added a few more Alabama grads. Those were only out of the ones I could find. About half of the 47 people listed I couldnt find any graduate info on.
So out of the roughly half of the 47 people I could find graduate info on, 9 graduated from Alabama. Which puts the SECHQ at a ~20% Alabama graduate staffing. If the ratios are consistent with the mystery half that I couldnt find information out on, then that "9" should double to 18 bringing the percentage up to...
38% or over one third of the staff at the SECHQ are graduates of the University of Alabama.
Again, assuming a random hiring of graduates across the conference, that number should be closer to 7%. That number goes down even further when you include prospective applicants that graduated from the thousands of Universities outside the SEC, of which the SECHQ has a few of, so its not like they arent considered for employment.
Man, this is so good I think Im going to make it the subject of my next topic. Thanks Alabama fans who participated in this discussion. I also would like to thank the Auburn fan who got this set in motion.
Thanks again Alabama fans from a previous SEC Rant topic. I couldnt have done it without you.
Your incessant, mindless trolling aka, Grolling(Gump Trolling), provided me with the motivation and strength to delve deeper into this not-so-hotly but has-always-been-plainly-obvious-from-the-outside, contested matter. Yall have been right all along. Bama doesnt lose. They only beat themselves.
...and their sister-wives
...and their uncle-daddies
etc.
TL;DR - Alabama stacks the deck from the top.
*EDIT*
Cant believe I missed this point. For all those making the argument that its only natural for there to be more U of Alabama grads in the SECHQ since its in the same State, well explain all the missing Auburn grads @ SECAHQ....
Credit goes to ibleedprplngld...
quote:
Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:21 am
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:49 pm to nola000
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:57 pm to nola000
quote:
So out of the roughly half of the 47 people I could find graduate info on, 9 graduated from Alabama. Which puts the SECHQ at a ~20% Alabama graduate staffing.
So 9 of 24 people in an office graduated from the university located in the same town? Imagine that.
I am certain that there is probably a little bias in the office. But our fans often come off as whiny little children with this incessant complaining about the refs and the SEC office, etc. etc.
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If the ratios are consistent with the mystery half
There is no reason to believe that whatsoever. It could easily go in either direction.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:09 pm to mdomingue
I would bet that the “mystery half” is closer to 50%. Anybody that doesn’t realize that there is some shady shite going on at Gump central is isn’t very realistic imho.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:13 pm to nola000
Why would anyone with a brain assume representation would be equal? It’s a false premise. The conference office is in Birmingham—no one who didn’t graduate from a school in Alabama would choose to move there for work (unless they were in a medical field). If the office were in Jackson it would have a disproportionate % of Piss/State grads. If it were in NO? LSU grads.
One reasonable solution might be not to hire anyone with an affiliation to ANY SEC school. But even then, the emoloyees’ children would inevitably go to the state school and the employees would develop a tie to the school.
Just accept the fact that the league office will have a disproportionate representation of graduates from the state where it is located.
One reasonable solution might be not to hire anyone with an affiliation to ANY SEC school. But even then, the emoloyees’ children would inevitably go to the state school and the employees would develop a tie to the school.
Just accept the fact that the league office will have a disproportionate representation of graduates from the state where it is located.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:19 pm to nola000
Wait
It's so sad how some of you think about this as much as you do. 
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:21 pm to nola000
Alabama has graduates?! And I thought up till now they got their team gear from WalMart!
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:38 pm to tigercross
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Why would anyone with a brain assume representation would be equal? It’s a false premise.
quote:
The conference office is in Birmingham
I agree but 38% rep when it should be less than 7% is statistically significant even when considering office location.
The Mississippi schools(2 & 3 hour drive) and UT (4 hrs) arent that far and they are actually UNDER represented.
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—no one who didn’t graduate from a school in Alabama would choose to move there
Thats not a good assumption. People move all over for work and the State of Alabama isnt so particularly displeasing that it would have that much effect. I mean, youre not required to marry your sister and its not Alaska or even Minnesota.
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One reasonable solution might be not to hire anyone with an affiliation to ANY SEC school.
I am ALL for this. In fact, Id like to see it moved out of any and all SEC States. Virginia, North Carolina or Oklahoma would be good options. Virginia and NC are near USC but USC historically sucks and those States also have many transplants that arent going to be connected regionally. Oklahoma could have some TAMU fans but with so many schools in the region, many being other Texas and Big 12 schools that likely loathe TAMU, youre just as likely to get applicants that dont give two shits about any SEC schools.
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But even then, the emoloyees’ children would inevitably go to the state school and the employees would develop a tie to the school.
I dont understand. Employees from a region outside the SEC would likely have their family members at schools outside the conference. Besides, they already have requirements on the officiating crews that you or your family members cant be a graduate of a school youre officiating. Why cant we apply that to all SEC employees too?
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Just accept the fact that the league office will have a disproportionate representation of graduates from the state where it is located.
No. Eff dat noize son! We should always strive for equality in sports. Cant have certain teams playing with a builtin advantage.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:51 pm to nola000
1. Why would anyone assume that a league office staff would have equal representation.
2. I really couldn't care less where Administrative assistants, secretaries, receptionists and other staff like that come from, because they're far more likely to be hired locally.
This "research" literally means nothing
2. I really couldn't care less where Administrative assistants, secretaries, receptionists and other staff like that come from, because they're far more likely to be hired locally.
This "research" literally means nothing
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:17 pm to nola000
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I dont understand. Employees from a region outside the SEC would likely have their family members at schools outside the conference.
My point was that if the office was in Birmingham or Nashville or Atlanta and the conference only hired Jimmys and Joes who graduated from OSU, Clemson, Michigan, etc. eventually a lot Jimmy’s and Joe’s kids would grow up and more likely than not choose to go to Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, or Georgia since they would get in-state tuition there. As a result of their kids going to the school, the guys at the office would develop biases. Parents adopt second fandoms of teams based on where their kids and money go all the time.
As far as the geography—top graduates from SEC schools can get hired in Houston, Dallas, Nashville, ATL, etc. Birmingham is pretty far down the list of cities where they want to work unless they already have ties to the area.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:40 pm to tigercross
Ahhh, ok. I gotcha.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:42 pm to Tigerfan7218
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1. Why would anyone assume that a league office staff would have equal representation.
Already shot this down. Next.
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2. I really couldn't care less where Administrative assistants, secretaries, receptionists and other staff like that come from, because they're far more likely to be hired locally.
That wasnt part of this.
Maybe I wasnt clear. The 47 employees Im referring to are listed as "Office Staff" on the SEC website. These are the top people with the power. Not secretaries and the like.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:06 am to mdomingue
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But our fans often come off as whiny little children with this incessant complaining about the refs and the SEC office
Although I agree with you, I think it would be the same case with the office located in any SEC school - people would say X team is getting special treatment. Its just under a microscope because of bamas success.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:50 am to tigercross
quote:
Just accept the fact that the league office will have a disproportionate representation of graduates from the state where it is located.
Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
Say what you want, I know damn well that I tend to favor LSU graduates in professional life, even if subconsciously. We all have inherent bias towards the school we went to. This is why having a greater population of Bama grads at SECHQ presents a problem. And guess what, we see it play out quite often in the most profitable part of any Power 5 university, the football team.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:10 am to nola000
OK, so who wants to move to Ala-freakin-bama, to "represent their school" at the league office? Take one for the team?Sounds like a prison sentence....
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:20 am to nola000
and the Bama obsession continues....
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:25 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:
Just accept the fact that the league office will have a disproportionate representation of graduates from the state where it is located.
quote:
Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
Wow. Cant believe I missed that point! Its so obvious too. I guess because I didnt find a single Auburn graduate so it didnt ring a bell. You know, since they hate each other. I even had a couple of Auburn fans tell me that they have been saying this for years.
This completely shuts down the argument of, "of course they are going to have more Alabama grads with the SECHQ in B-Ham". I even mentioned the two MS schools and UT being close by and not having over-representation. Auburn is the next closest Uni. Its a 2 hr drive from B-Ham and U of Alabama is 1 hr. No reason there shouldnt be at least 7-15 or so Auburn grads there since there are 9-18 from U of Alabama. I dont remember seeing 1 Auburn grad. Actually, I kind of remember 1. I would have to go back and look which I dont feel like doing. Maybe someone else can verify.
Hey ibleedprplngld, can I edit my OP to include the first paragraph of your post starting with, "Your logic..."?
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:25 am to StadiumDormRat'72
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OK, so who wants to move to Ala-freakin-bama, to "represent their school" at the league office? Take one for the team?Sounds like a prison sentence....
So true StadiumDormRat'72.
So true.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:33 am to nola000
Our fan base is an embarrassment
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:43 am to nola000
Some posts are just... 
:wtf: :wtf:
:wtf: :wtf: 
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