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Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:44 pm to General13
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I just did the first 7. Washington Lee, northeast school I’ve never heard of,Bama, ole miss, UGA, Penn, LSU
...and? Keep going. Youll reach the same numbers I did.
Like I said, I couldnt find about half of them so your numbers may be a little different but shouldnt be that far off.
Do yall really think I would go through all this trouble just to blow smoke up your arse? Go research my post history. While I love a good troll from time to time Im not that dedicated to trolling.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:45 pm to General13
BTW, Im not really implying anything or making any accusations. Thats everybody else doing that. Im merely pointing out some interesting facts and stating some reasonable statistical assumptions based on them. Make what you will out of them.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:51 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
False. Birmingham has a much higher percentage of UA fans than it does Auburn fans.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:59 pm to Macavity92
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False. Birmingham has a much higher percentage of UA fans than it does Auburn fans.
Ok. Lets walk through that and see where it leads. You might have something good here.
What percentage of B-Ham would you say are UofA grads vs. Auburn grads? Dont base you assertion just on your friends and family as you could taint the number with sample error. Use other indicators like bumper stickers and local sports coverage.
I might need some help from the Rant here as Im no statistician.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:02 pm to Macavity92
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Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
False. Birmingham has a much higher percentage of UA fans than it does Auburn fans.
Fans are irrelevant.
I would tend to agree that the second highest employment would be made up of Auburn grads. I don't know if that's true. and what the ratio is. But seeing as how it's only an hour further than Tuscaloosa and the closest "metro" area, I would think that it would be pretty close.
It's probably worth mentioning that Bama has the 3rd largest enrollment in the SEC and 33 percent more than Auburn.
That's not to say I'm buying into a conspiracy theory.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:05 pm to nola000
Two things.
The more important positions start top to bottom. So I listed commissioner, coo, cfo etc
The lower positions are in all probability graduates from the local schools and Birmingham is a majority of Bama fans. Like Montgomery is Auburn.
The more important positions start top to bottom. So I listed commissioner, coo, cfo etc
The lower positions are in all probability graduates from the local schools and Birmingham is a majority of Bama fans. Like Montgomery is Auburn.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:07 pm to tgerb8
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It's probably worth mentioning that Bama has the 3rd largest enrollment in the SEC and 33 percent more than Auburn.
Thats certainly relevant and we can add that into it.
So Auburn should have ~12 grads employed in the SECHQ.
From what I remember, I dont recall seeing an Auburn grad listed. Maybe one. Not sure. Certainly not 6 as should be the case for the roughly 50% I was able to find info on and what the 33% less enrollment than UofA would dictate.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:12 pm to General13
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The more important positions start top to bottom.
We would have to qualify "important". The heads of officiating are listed at the bottom. Below "Administrative Assistants". One could argue heads of officiating or replay are much more important and influential positions relative to our interests which are the football programs.
Obviously, based on the list, the SEC has the list ordered ascending from top to bottom based on the importance of the positions relative to a corporate structure or hierarchy.
For TRants priorities, Steve Shaw, Coordinator of Football Officials is a much more important position than Melinda Calderini, Coordinator of "First Impressions".
Yet, she is listed above him.This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:15 pm to tgerb8
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Fans are irrelevant.
Fans are irrelevant to a conspiracy to support one school over the other 13?
Either way, having lived in B'ham, there are more UA grads there than AU grads. The percentages in the OP do not surprise me. The premise of the OP that the employees in the SEC office should be approximately equal is one of the more moronic things I have read on tRant, and that is no small feat.
Of course, I don't buy the conspiracy theory either. Nor do I believe in flat earth, the faked moon landing or the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
If the SEC is so biased how do you explain 1993-2009? Only 1 SEC title for Bama. In that same period LSU had 3. SEC office must have been all Gator grads back then.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:21 pm to Macavity92
I'm more interested in the percentage of GAME OFFICIALS from Alabama.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:26 pm to Macavity92
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The premise of the OP that the employees in the SEC office should be approximately equal is one of the more moronic things I have read on tRant, and that is no small feat.
Why shouldnt conference HQs at least try to even things out if for no other reason other than optics? I mean, they are there to represent ALL the conference schools. If they cant do that then there needs to be a discussion about moving the SECHQ out of the southeast and into a non-SEC state and then setting hiring protocols to avoid SEC grads or at least even the numbers out.
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Of course, I don't buy the conspiracy theory either. Nor do I believe in flat earth, the faked moon landing or the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
What conspiracy theory did I postulate? Im providing facts. You do what you want with them. What do all those other "conspiracies" have to do with this topic? Are trying to make false associations in an attempt to discredit the facts?
That weak argumentation.
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If the SEC is so biased how do you explain 1993-2009? Only 1 SEC title for Bama. In that same period LSU had 3. SEC office must have been all Gator grads back then.
First, youre assuming they have the power to turn a shite sandwich into a pot of gold. Wasnt Alabama crippled by the NCAA for cheating during that time period? Timeline of Bama doing Bama things.
Second, if Alabama is a lost cause then they are going to go where the money is at. At the time LSU and Florida had the coaches and recruits. BTW, Nick Sabans teams were one of the most penalized during his run with LSU. As soon, and I mean as soon, as he got to Alabama they became one of the least penalized.
Just saying. Make of it what you will. Those are the facts.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:31 pm to Macavity92
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False. Birmingham has a much higher percentage of UA fans than it does Auburn fans.
First point, have you been to Birmingham? Maybe we had different experiences, but I found it was pretty spilt (just like the rest of Alabama outside the immediate vicinity of Tuscaloosa and Auburn). And, oddly enough, a good bit Georgia fans as well.
Second, the point I was arguing has absolutely nothing to do with the city and everything to do with the state, as the poster I responded to referenced the state, not the city.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:32 pm to nola000
I would have said about 2/3. That is based on shirts, bumper stickers, etc. I have 2 sources to back it up.
The first is an Al.com unscientific survey showing what college was preferred by county in Ala. UA came out on top almost everywhere. Probably a flawed survey because it required the ability to read. LINK
The second is a NY Times survey of facebook users (I know, I know). It found 34% of Ala. residents on facebook liked a football team. In Birmingham, those likes went 43-51% Ala. versus 29-33% for AU. LINK
Anyone who has spent time in B'ham can confirm this.
The first is an Al.com unscientific survey showing what college was preferred by county in Ala. UA came out on top almost everywhere. Probably a flawed survey because it required the ability to read. LINK
The second is a NY Times survey of facebook users (I know, I know). It found 34% of Ala. residents on facebook liked a football team. In Birmingham, those likes went 43-51% Ala. versus 29-33% for AU. LINK
Anyone who has spent time in B'ham can confirm this.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:35 pm to ibleedprplngld
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First point, have you been to Birmingham? Maybe we had different experiences, but I found it was pretty spilt (just like the rest of Alabama outside the immediate vicinity of Tuscaloosa and Auburn). And, oddly enough, a good bit Georgia fans as well.
I lived there for 3 years. It has been a while but I don't think the state has changed that much. And the stats in my other post confirm my experience.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:37 pm to Macavity92
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I lived there for 3 years. It has been a while but I don't think the state has changed that much. And the stats in my other post confirm my experience
Interesting point, I wasn't trying to be a dick. Just an honest question. I used to visit my buddy at Huntington College up there and always seemed to run into a fair amount of both fans.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:39 pm to nola000
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Credit goes to ibleedprplngld...
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Your logic is sound. Problem is, there are two state schools in Alabama. One of which makes up a much larger percentage of the graduates in the HQ office. If your logic held true, there would be closer to an equal amount of representation from both schools.
Alabama is the state school known for business, law, liberal arts, etc. Auburn is known for ag. fields and engineering. It makes sense to me that UA would be disproportionately represented in an office setting.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:42 pm to nola000
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Why shouldnt conference HQs at least try to even things out if for no other reason other than optics?
Because it is not realistic. Do you stop hiring one school's grads because they get to 20% even though their grad is clearly the best for the conference?
It is like having a goal of zero accidents. It is not attainable. It also assumes that people can't be objective just because they graduated from a certain school. That's not true for everyone.
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What conspiracy theory did I postulate?
That the SEC office exists to support Bama at the detriment of the other schools. There is no other reason to engage in this exercise of "where did everyone graduate from?"
You weren't just providing facts. You were providing facts to make a point. And the point is the conspiracy.
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At the time LSU and Florida had the coaches and recruits.
And Alabama has them now. Maybe that, and not the percentage of grads from UA in the conference office, is the real story.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:44 pm to Macavity92
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I would have said about 2/3. That is based on shirts, bumper stickers, etc.
Well, this may be harder to figure than I expected. If thats the determining criteria then how do you separate the casual fan from the University graduate? Im sure all the positions at the SECHQ in the list require a college degree.
Of that 2/3 or 66%, 75% could be non-graduate fans, while the remaining 33% Auburn could be made up of 15% non-graduate fans and 85% Auburn grads. That puts the numbers in favor of Auburn almost 2 to 1.
We would need better indicators.
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Probably a flawed survey because it required the ability to read.
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In Birmingham, those likes went 43-51% Ala. versus 29-33% for AU
Again, flawed by fandom. We need a survey that zeroed-in on graduates.
Thanks for digging though. These are the kind of conversations I like to have.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:45 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Interesting point, I wasn't trying to be a dick. Just an honest question. I used to visit my buddy at Huntington College up there and always seemed to run into a fair amount of both fans.
I didn't take it that way. You were giving your take. I didn't see your post until I found the other articles.
I also knew a fair amount of people from smaller schools, both in and out of Ala, that were rabid Bama fans. It is an interesting state. When you get your driver's license they ask your name, address and Alabama or Auburn.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:48 pm
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