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re: What is the root cause why O failed ?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 6:12 pm to Forever
Posted on 7/2/22 at 6:12 pm to Forever
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People always say stuff IRL like “it is unlikely that I become the president of the United States as a 60 year old welder from Denham Springs, but technically not impossible”, and Ed Orgeron is the embodiment of that statement in CFB national championship form. I’ve never seen someone get luckier than that dumbass did across the board to back into a team of all-time great players and assistant coaches who did 100% of the work for him while he sat back and cashed a check
O had one thing going for him. The Binder. Never under estimate its power.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 6:28 pm to JiminyCricket
he lacked the organizational skills and standards necessary to sustain a top program, in a nutshell.
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He also wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and far too many times he opened his mouth without thinking and the dribble that came out was embarrassing at the very least; foolish an naïve most of the time.
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He also wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and far too many times he opened his mouth without thinking and the dribble that came out was embarrassing at the very least; foolish an naïve most of the time.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 6:43 pm to zed44
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root cause why O failed
Character-- the lack thereof. He lost the respect of the players and his staff due to his antics.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 7:10 pm to zed44
Root cause is not one thing, it's several.
1. he won then coasted.
2. the weaklings in the program and weak AF fans allowed him to not give a shite for 2 years because he "talked like us".
3. Poontang remains undefeated.
4. Ponamsky
1. he won then coasted.
2. the weaklings in the program and weak AF fans allowed him to not give a shite for 2 years because he "talked like us".
3. Poontang remains undefeated.
4. Ponamsky
Posted on 7/2/22 at 7:11 pm to zed44
Ryan Clark and Woodward turned the locker room against him during the BLM bullshite. Bunch of privileged and sheltered kids couldn’t handle someone that went on Fox News and they quit.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 7:29 pm to zed44
He was an idiot that thought if he stole this job it was easy enough to just copy the work of others and implement it here. His plan to execute this was with a morning DJ
Posted on 7/2/22 at 7:45 pm to zed44
He’s an idiot.
He can recruit but doesn’t think ahead for roster management purposes.
He doesn’t know Xs and Os enough to hire competent coordinators.
We had 60% an elite team
He can recruit but doesn’t think ahead for roster management purposes.
He doesn’t know Xs and Os enough to hire competent coordinators.
We had 60% an elite team
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:03 pm to zed44
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What is the root cause why O failed ?
He didn’t.
2019 was glorious and the greatest team ever.

Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:05 pm to zed44
He won a title and stopped doing the things that made him successful in 2019. Basically reverted back to the old dumbass coach O
2019 Coach O was laser focused. 2020 Coach O was the old dumbass Coach O who no longer gave a shite about winning and reverted back to his meat head ways
2019 Coach O was laser focused. 2020 Coach O was the old dumbass Coach O who no longer gave a shite about winning and reverted back to his meat head ways
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:14 pm to DeltaFishTiger
That's a good part of it, actually. He lost control of the team in August of
2020 with Covid and BLM influences. A perfect storm hit him. He loses his defensive coordinator and on the offensive side Brady was not as huge as losing the other guy (Munoz ?). But losing what they did on Defense was particularly devastating. Lose Lawrence and Chaisson as well as Queen, Divinity and others. Then right before the season Shelvin and Vincent decide to opt out. I think 10 starters leave or decide not to play. Players who had significant playing time on a defense that really was not that good until the end of the season
Then you had Jacoby Stevens in the locker room as a cancer in the wake of BLM and Orgeron expressing his approval of Trump.
Add in the fact that Orgeron went through a divorce and it affected him and he hires Linehan and Pelini. Then he has to break in Brennan who gets hurt in the third game and you have to put forward two freshmen on an offense that has to rebuild as well....losing CEH was huge but also losing Chase to the opt out before the season is also huge.
Orgeron was a very good recruiter and a good coach to have on staff if you had to fire your head coach after the 4 th or 5th game. As a long term solution he was not it. Kelly ain't it either by the way....he's here for maybe 6 or 7 years
2020 with Covid and BLM influences. A perfect storm hit him. He loses his defensive coordinator and on the offensive side Brady was not as huge as losing the other guy (Munoz ?). But losing what they did on Defense was particularly devastating. Lose Lawrence and Chaisson as well as Queen, Divinity and others. Then right before the season Shelvin and Vincent decide to opt out. I think 10 starters leave or decide not to play. Players who had significant playing time on a defense that really was not that good until the end of the season
Then you had Jacoby Stevens in the locker room as a cancer in the wake of BLM and Orgeron expressing his approval of Trump.
Add in the fact that Orgeron went through a divorce and it affected him and he hires Linehan and Pelini. Then he has to break in Brennan who gets hurt in the third game and you have to put forward two freshmen on an offense that has to rebuild as well....losing CEH was huge but also losing Chase to the opt out before the season is also huge.
Orgeron was a very good recruiter and a good coach to have on staff if you had to fire your head coach after the 4 th or 5th game. As a long term solution he was not it. Kelly ain't it either by the way....he's here for maybe 6 or 7 years
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:16 pm to Lakeboy7
He had no idea about how to handle success.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 8:28 pm to Regit424
He had no idea how to create success.
He had Aranda, Burrow, a very good core group of 3-4 yr.players.
I give him credit for staying out of the way.
He had Aranda, Burrow, a very good core group of 3-4 yr.players.
I give him credit for staying out of the way.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:21 pm to zed44
he let his HEAD go to his head 

Posted on 7/2/22 at 9:57 pm to zed44
Coach O decided to switch defense schemes to one where he lacked the proper personnel and which is not geared towards the modern offenses - unless you have extraordinarily talented defensive linemen and linebackers. While losing his most experienced quarterback to injury was a blow, the fact that any team could, and did, score 40+ points on us was the biggest reason he lost so many games.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:20 pm to zed44
His teams were poorly conditioned, he lacked organizational skills, he let his ego interfere with coaching hires, and he lost focus after winning the big one
Posted on 7/2/22 at 10:44 pm to zed44
IMO I think Dave Aranda played a big role in O's success the first three years O was HC.
The only thing I really give O credit for is recruiting and even that started to drop off his last two years.
Look, I like Kevin Faulk, one of the best tigers to put on the uniform, but what did he really do? Since Dinardo the one thing LSU has always had was a stable of RBs. If one guy went down there was at least two other RBs able to come in and not miss a beat, but O's last two years there really wasn't much depth. There were RBs with potential, but they were not being developed. Why were so many people upset when BK didn't keep Faulk?
When Aranda left and he no longer had a QB that was already developed and no longer had an O line that was somewhat developed his true colors started to show.
He made lazy hires and he couldn't handle the stage that NC winning coaches are put on. He said all of the right shite. After a loss he would say the problem and how it will get fixed. He knew what to say to answer all the questions he knew would be asked.
I honestly think Brain Kelly will surpass expectations this year and build a consistent program that will have the ability to beat anyone on any given Saturday. Im not saying he will always beat these teams, I am just saying there will not be a team that they will not have any chance to beat.
The only thing I really give O credit for is recruiting and even that started to drop off his last two years.
Look, I like Kevin Faulk, one of the best tigers to put on the uniform, but what did he really do? Since Dinardo the one thing LSU has always had was a stable of RBs. If one guy went down there was at least two other RBs able to come in and not miss a beat, but O's last two years there really wasn't much depth. There were RBs with potential, but they were not being developed. Why were so many people upset when BK didn't keep Faulk?
When Aranda left and he no longer had a QB that was already developed and no longer had an O line that was somewhat developed his true colors started to show.
He made lazy hires and he couldn't handle the stage that NC winning coaches are put on. He said all of the right shite. After a loss he would say the problem and how it will get fixed. He knew what to say to answer all the questions he knew would be asked.
I honestly think Brain Kelly will surpass expectations this year and build a consistent program that will have the ability to beat anyone on any given Saturday. Im not saying he will always beat these teams, I am just saying there will not be a team that they will not have any chance to beat.
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