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dgnx6
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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liked Les- but Les wasn't a 10+ win coach when LSU hired him, if we want to be fair....


Oklahoma State was winning 1-2 games a season before he was head coach there. Got them to bowl games and beat the top dog in their state and conference.

If Ed had even made a bowl game at ole Miss, I think people would be a little less worried.


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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No no no. Les’ floor at LSU was 8-9 wins. O’s ceiling his entire career was ONE 9 win season
I assume you're only talking about their tenures at LSU, because if you're taking other stops into account, Miles floor was 4-7. So if you're just talking about LSU, then it's kind of hard to determine Orgeron's ceiling or floor yet because we only have 1 season to go by.



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oleheat
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Miles would have had a 10 win season in 2015, but for the cancelled cupcake game.


I've asked the question of what if he'd gotten that tenth win....A huge difference, perception-wise....But I still have doubts about whether or not Les would have finished 6-2, in '16- because I think he AND Cam would have still been in charge of the offense.
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whitefoot
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By the time he got fired, sure. That’s WHY he got fired.

That's what I've been saying. I'm arguing with people who say Miles got fired "for winning 10 games"

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So, consistent 8-9 win seasons from Orgeron should get him fired too.


I agree wholeheartedly.


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Fake news.


How so? 2012 is the last season we had a legitimate chance to win the west, which we were one Alabama 2 minute drive away from doing.

2013 was a good year, but not great. We lost to an unranked Ole Miss team who finished 3-5 in the SEC that year. We got our 10th win against an unranked Iowa team in a sloppy and uninspiring Outback bowl performance. You consider that a successful season for LSU football?

Are you saying 2015 was a successful year? Or it would have been if we had gotten that 10th win by getting to play McNeese? Come on, man. You couldn't possibly have thought that year was successful. We got crushed in every game we played in November right up until the team rallied in an ugly, job saving performance against a very mediocre A&M team. Then needed a bowl win over a 7-5 Texas Tech team to scrape together a ninth win.


R11
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
LOL, 4 people downvotes.



Hate on haters


TigerLunatik
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
I think it's because you're suggesting that players are to blame for losses and it's not on the coaches. IMO, that's pretty ridiculous for college kids.

Best example I can think of off the top of my head is the bowl game and kicking a field goal when it doesn't put you up by at least 7 points. ND had just driven the length of the field with basically no resistance by the LSU defense. If you don't get the touchdown, ND would be forced (in all likelihood) to play conservative and run out the clock. Coaches didn't put the players in the best position to win the game.

I'm not going to go down every scenario from the season, but there are others.


OKTGR580
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
I got a feeling IF they win 10 games including beating bama, y’all won’t be satisfied and will find something else to pick at with Orgeron.


TigerLunatik
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Member since Jan 2005
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
I've got a feeling if he only wins 6 games y'all will blame Miles, the players, the fans, the wind and anything else besides the head coach.

See how that can be turned around?


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ThePoo
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Hope and Pray


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RB10
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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I got a feeling IF they win 10 games including beating bama, y’all won’t be satisfied and will find something else to pick at with Orgeron.


Probably just gas. Don't be dumb.


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tigertex1992
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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got a feeling IF they win 10 games including beating bama, y’all won’t be satisfied and will find something else to pick at with Orgeron.


Why because Orgeron has done anything remotely like that? Those comments are dumb.


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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I got a feeling IF they win 10 games including beating bama, y’all won’t be satisfied and will find something else to pick at with Orgeron.

Is 10 wins including the bowl game? Which games did we lose? Did we still win the west? If we beat Alabama, we should be pretty damn good, so why did we lose the other 2-3 games? Was it just bad luck? After the season are we looking back and lamenting missed opportunities? How many games did we lose that we were favored in?

You can say, unequivocally, that you'll be satisfied with 10 wins and a win over Alabama? What if Georgia and Auburn blow our doors off, then we beat an Alabama team that's having a disappointing season (maybe Tua and Hurts both get hurt), and then an average Texas A&M team beats us in the final week, and we get our 10th win in the Texas Bowl against Kansas State?

I can also paint a picture where I would be extremely satisfied with 10 wins and a win over Alabama. We lose at Auburn in a nail biter, but we play very well. We play well against Georgia, but lose a close one, then the team rallies and destroys State, then beats #1 Alabama, rides that momentum and runs the table for a 10 win regular season.

Yeah, I'm thrilled with the second scenario, but while the first scenario is better than some of the alternatives, I can't say I'd necessarily be happy with that season.


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Mo Jeaux
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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I've asked the question of what if he'd gotten that tenth win....A huge difference, perception-wise...


Not really. I'm not defending Les in respect of saying he should not have been fired. I just don't understand why some have to resort to distorting his record to justify the firing.

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But I still have doubts about whether or not Les would have finished 6-2, in '16- because I think he AND Cam would have still been in charge of the offense.


Meh. I'm sure his run heavy offense would have run all over the weak run defenses that we faced that season, just like it did with O at the helm. I also think that Miles would have beaten Florida.


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LARRY P
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
The juveniles on this site will never give Coach O any respect.


Mo Jeaux
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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How so? 2012 is the last season we had a legitimate chance to win the west, which we were one Alabama 2 minute drive away from doing.

2013 was a good year, but not great. We lost to an unranked Ole Miss team who finished 3-5 in the SEC that year. We got our 10th win against an unranked Iowa team in a sloppy and uninspiring Outback bowl performance. You consider that a successful season for LSU football?

Are you saying 2015 was a successful year? Or it would have been if we had gotten that 10th win by getting to play McNeese? Come on, man. You couldn't possibly have thought that year was successful. We got crushed in every game we played in November right up until the team rallied in an ugly, job saving performance against a very mediocre A&M team. Then needed a bowl win over a 7-5 Texas Tech team to scrape together a ninth win.


Oh, so now you're saying that overall numbers don't really tell the whole story. Yes, I agree with you, which is one reason why I don't look at O's performance last season as being anything special. It was, in many ways, bad in fact.



Mo Jeaux
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The juveniles on this site will never give Coach O any respect.


I've never seen so many (presumably) males so concerned about the feelings of a grown man. It's kind of pathetic.


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Oh, so now you're saying that overall numbers don't really tell the whole story.

I don't remember saying that numbers told the whole story. Or even that they were a good barometer of success. My first response in this thread was "Get the team back in contention for SEC championships on an annual basis."
LINK

I don't consider last year a success by any means. It was pretty disappointing year to me.


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lsusteve1
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Pretty simple

Get to SECCG and a playoff berth before 2020




Top 5 recruiting class will happen in 2019
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kingbob
LSU Fan
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
45531 posts

re: What does O need to do for respect?
Just win. He needs 10 wins this year.
He needs 11 and a w over Bama in the next 2 years after that.
He needs an SEC title.
He needs a big bowl win.
He needs a playoff appearance.

Winning cures all ills.


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