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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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That team would have won ten games if not for mother nature and did finish in the top 16 nationally.

This is good enough for you?
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Hardly a loss team.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one. That team I watched in November 2015 looked pretty disinterested.
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You can be happy he's gone all you want

I'm not happy he's gone, but I do think it was time for him to go. If I felt he was still a guy who could have this team playing like they did in the good years (2005-2007, 2010-12), I would not have supported him being let go. In fact, even during that disastrous end to 2015, I was still torn about him leaving. But after the start of 2016, I was officially done. Yeah, Wisconsin was good, but I think that was a game we should have won, and the Auburn game was really bad, and included a nice dose Les's good old clock management foibles. That was the last straw for me.
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a good case can be that LSU has dropped even further
I honestly don't see any drop off. It seems to me like we're in the exact same place as we were in 2015 & 2016. A case could also be made that if Les had stayed we would have seen even more of a decline. It was certainly trending that way, but who knows, he might have stemmed the tide and kept us right here where we currently are.


YouAre8Up
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Stop making up stupid catch phrases and show that he can act and win like he should here.


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CottonWasKing
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Compete and win at an elite level.

Last year wasn't that.


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R11
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Not all what I’m suggesting.

Read harder


TigerLunatik
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Well, I traced it back to this post and read it again twice and that's the only thing I can come up with.
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Coaches, coach and the players have to execute on the field. Just about every loss LSU has taken can be summed up with player execution. Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG.



I’ve had this same commentary on here before I gotten bashed by several O haters for it. 
Ricky daddy comes to mind. 

Its absolutely the players responsibility to execute what they cover on practice. 
Kickers 
WRs 
QBs 
Rbs 
Defense 

Execute the play call you generally have success. 
Don’t? You lose. 

Very simple. Especially at this level of play.

Maybe you can help me out.

These two statements are the ones that stood out to me the most.
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Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG. 

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Execute the play call you generally have success.  
Don’t? You lose.  


Tigerik
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
TigerBacon

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2-3 11 win seasons since miles got fired for 10win seasons


How quickly we all forget the real story of Les Miles & how he was trending down. Had he won 10 games the last 3 or 4 of his seasons he would NOT have been fired.

He was fired for:
1. Losing to Bama 6 times in a row.
2. His last 3 seasons going 19-10 for a .65 win %.
3. and SEC record of 15-14 in his last 3 1/2 years.

CLM's SEC record:

2013 5-3
2014 4-4
2015 5-3
2016 1-1 (then fired) after AU loss time management debacle.

If CO does this he'll be fired too! Coach O didn't inherit Nick Sabans' team or players.

Coach O earned my respect when he took the interim job, earned the HC job, and went into Bama last year and went after them. If Danny Etling could complete a long ball that's a completely different ball game.


TigerLunatik
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Coach O didn't inherit Nick Sabans' team or players. 

You're one hundred percent correct. He inherited a better team. A team ranked with the 6th best talent this year.


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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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think it was time for him to go


Letting him go without having nailed down a damn good replacement was a mistake. This is not a case of a failed coach with a losing record. This is getting rid of the most successful coach in school history who is still winning bowl games, having nationally ranked teams, and top 5 recruiting classes.

Now, we have a lower national ranking, lower recruiting ranking, lower offensive production, and losing to non power five teams for the first time in fifteen years. Seems a drop off by any measurement available.

LSU should have fired Les in 2015. They didn't. Mistake number one. They should not have fired him four games into 2016. Made no sense. Mistake number two. The should have never hired a resume the likes of O. Mistake number three.


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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Coach O earned my respect when he took the interim job, earned the HC job, and went into Bama last year and went after them


Here’s another tard. Bama was taking a mercy knee last year.
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earl keese
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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If you don't think the Wisconsin loss was bad, then you have lower standards and expectations for the program than I do.


In my opinion, all losses are bad. But that Wisconsin team finished the year 11-3, and ranked #9 in the final AP poll. Their 3 losses were to teams that were all ranked in the top ten at the time the games were played and all 3 teams also finished the season ranked in the top ten. Plus the game was played at Lambeau Field, roughly 130 miles from their campus.

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We were ranked 5th in the preseason polls


Yes we were and like I said earlier, it was a bad loss. It sucked losing that game.

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and had an all time great defense.


Arandas first game as the DC. The LSU offense struggled no doubt, against a pretty good Wisconsin defense, but don't you think it took the LSU players a few games to get comfortable with a new defensive system?

So losing to the Badgers sucked, but not nearly as bad as losing to Troy, at home. That's my take on it anyway.


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Jeez, man, now you're changing the argument. I never said I agreed with anything about the way Alleva handled Miles' firing. My post that set you off was that I took issue with someone who said Miles was fired for winning 10 games a year. My point was, he was fired for not having us competing for the SEC West anymore and, in my opinion, that late season collapse in 2015.

And now you're pretty much agreeing with my original point that set you off just 5 hours ago? Did your meds kick in or something?


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whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
We're on the same page about the Wisconsin loss, but....

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So losing to the Badgers sucked, but not nearly as bad as losing to Troy, at home. That's my take on it anyway.

When did I ever compare the Troy loss to the Wisconsin loss? I'm not an idiot. I recognize losing a virtual road game to a B1G doesn't compare to a homecoming loss to a Sunbelt team.


earl keese
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When did I ever compare the Troy loss to the Wisconsin loss?


Yeah, that's my mistake. I saw it in a post between you and someone else and got confused.

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I'm not an idiot.


Are you sure about that?

Just joking whitefoot.


whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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I'm not an idiot.


Are you sure about that?

Haha. I figured I was setting myself up for that one.


earl keese
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Haha. I figured I was setting myself up for that one.


I couldn't help myself. Sorry.


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lsusteve1
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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- Alabama had NCAA sanctions and made 3 consecutive bad hires.


Too bad RR turned down the job or it'd been 4.

And no Saban


whitefoot
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
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Too bad RR turned down the job or it'd been 4.

And no Saban

When I was looking at their coaches' record since Stallings, I had completely forgotten that Dennis Franchione actually turned down an extension from Alabama to take the Texas A&M job.

From his Wikipedia page:
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The turnaround success Franchione made prompted Alabama officials to offer Franchione a 10-year contract extension worth $15 million

Talk about an all-time what if


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tadelatt
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Win


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R11
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
So let me get this straight... if preparations are done, right play call is made and the players don’t do their job, it’s still coaches fault?

Am I understanding you correctly?

And as far as this only “college kids” arguement, fricking spare me.

This isn’t peewee league or Jr high.
This is highest level D1 elite players,, that’s sole purpose during this stage in their life is to play football. You must execute.
Period.
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TigerLunatik
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re: What does O need to do for respect?
No, of course you aren't understanding correctly. My whole point in my post was that the coaching staff wasn't putting the players in the best position to win the game and gave you an example.

You quoted this
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Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG.

Then proceeded to complain about downvotes and my response was that you were probably getting them because you were blaming players for those losses.

Troy loss - terrible coaching
MSU loss - terrible game plan on both sides
ND loss - already explained kicking the FG

IMO, the Bama loss was just because they had superior players. The game plan was fine for me.

Auburn game - came out ultra conservative and got down 3 scores early. Nice in game adjustment, but I wonder what have happened had the game stayed closer.


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