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Watching Nuss run the ball vs Nichols…

Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted by king47
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:56 pm
I thought he looked to have enough speed to run more than he has. If he would do that at timely situations like burrow, this could be a huge way to open up the rest of the offense and keep drives alive.
Posted by Louisianabound88
BR
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:58 pm to
He’s no slower than Joe Burrow, just enough speed to hurt a defense and get a first down
Posted by Oescron
Member since Mar 2024
576 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:58 pm to
He had several opportunities in the SC game on 3rd and short where he could have easily picked up the FD but threw the ball away instead.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
19707 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:58 pm to
He doesn't have the confidence he needs to run successfully. He has the speed and size but not the awareness
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
11086 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:59 pm to
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I thought he looked to have enough speed to run more than he has. If he would do that at timely situations like burrow, this could be a huge way to open up the rest of the offense and keep drives alive.


Nuss isn't a statue like some would think. But thats not SEC speed on the Nicholls side but Burrow had a 6th sense about pressure. He anticipated. If nuss could do that, he'd be a first rounder for sure.

We'll see.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12370 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:00 pm to
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He doesn't have the confidence he needs to run successfully. He has the speed and size but not the awareness


This. He'd rather sling it.

But he can no doubt do it. Once he learns to take the short run, he and the offense should open up more.
Posted by Draco Malfoy
Member since Mar 2024
2858 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:01 pm to
This. He could have won us the game running for a first down against USC on that drive near the goal line. Get that first down and run out the clock before scoring
Posted by TigahTeeth
Georgia
Member since Feb 2016
6503 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:09 pm to
Yep! If he ran 7 or 8 times to extend drives and keep the defense honest, we beat USCw!
Posted by GoldenAge
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1632 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:10 pm to
I wish he’d run more personally, but to play devils advocate here - maybe he’s being told to avoid scrambles bc of injury risk. Don’t exactly have the quality back up QB we’ve had in previous years.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35574 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:18 pm to
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He had several opportunities in the SC game on 3rd and short where he could have easily picked up the FD but threw the ball away instead.


Did he? Or are you just believing the groupthink without any actual research into if you are correct?

Because if you had, you'd find he only had one incompletion on 3rd down in the entire game. That was the pass to Lacy along the sideline on the drive where LSU kicked the tying FG. Otherwise, he was 9/10 with a TD on 3rd down.

Now, on some of those he completed a pass short of the line to gain, resulting in 4th down. If you want to take issue with that you may have an argument. But saying there were "several" opportunities in the SC game on 3rd and short where he "threw the ball away" instead of easily running for a 1st down is just factually wrong.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
3475 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:29 pm to
There was a 3rd and 2 in the USC game where he handed off to the RB and the defense literally crashed inward on the play and stopped us short. If he kept the ball he goes for 20 yds easy. And he can slide withoutt taking a hit. Not blaming him as I don't know if he had that option or whether they are telling him not to run but it will be necessary for him to run from time to time to keep the defense honest and extend drives. I think they will figure it out as his PT has increases and they get a little more confident in the #2 QB. I also think they should introduce some RPO packages with Collins in certain situations much like the saints do with Taysom Hill.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35574 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:35 pm to
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his. He could have won us the game running for a first down against USC on that drive near the goal line. Get that first down and run out the clock before scoring


Which play are you referring to?

On one play it was 2nd & 8. He rolled out and had Anderson wide open...he just, unfortunately, threw his worst pass of the game. Go watch that play again. If he had tried to tuck and run he gets sacked for a loss because the USC DE is bearing down on him as he throws the ball. Even if he somehow gets by the USC end, there are two other USC defenders short of the line to gain that would be waiting for him. The chances of him being able to run for a first down on that play are almost 0%

That brought up 3rd & 8. Again, go watch that play. While he probably unnecessarily rushed the (incomplete) pass to Lacy near the endzone, there was ZERO chance he could have run for a first down. He would have need to get to the 6 after taking off from the 22 with three USC defenders sitting at the 5 yard line watching him the entire play.

Could he stand to pull the ball a few more times on those read-options in the future? Sure. But there weren't "several" 3rd downs where he could have run for a first instead of "throwing the ball away", nor could he have run for a first down on LSU's final drive.

People are just hearing groupthink and believing they saw what they want to see vs seeing what ACTUALLY happened.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35574 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:39 pm to
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There was a 3rd and 2 in the USC game where he handed off to the RB and the defense literally crashed inward on the play and stopped us short. If he kept the ball he goes for 20 yds easy.


No question. It was a big stop for USC. But I was replying to the poster who said there was "several" times he could have run for a 1st down on 3rd down but, instead, threw the ball away. That's objectively false. He didn't "throw the ball away" a single time on 3rd down the entire game...unless you consider the pass to Lacy on the final drive a "throw away" (I don't)
Posted by SuperFanDan
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
1708 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:40 pm to
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He’s no slower than Joe Burrow, just enough speed to hurt a defense and get a first down


I dunno, man.....Burrow was sneaky fast. I haven't seen Nuss pull away from linebackers like Burrow.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted by bluewatersailor
Member since Oct 2018
658 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:42 pm to
It looked in the USC game he clearly had open field to run for first down a couple of times but must have been told do not run. I was there. The TV view did not show his opportunities. He runs 5 or 6 times we win that game. Even my high school coach a million years ago said football is like poker, you gotta bluff sometimes to keep your opponent guessing. USC never had to defend the QB run and kept doing the same defense because a RPO was never a QB run option. Gotta do that to keep the D guessing. We never did.
Posted by ArcticTiger
North Pole
Member since Nov 2018
2841 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:54 pm to
Personally I would like to see him have 5-10 rushes a game between read option, QB Powers, or Draws. He definitely doesnt need the big plays like Daniels. Just give us 3-5 yards and get down. Enough to at least make the D have to pay attention to the QB on the read.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35574 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Personally I would like to see him have 5-10 rushes a game between read option, QB Powers, or Draws. He definitely doesnt need the big plays like Daniels. Just give us 3-5 yards and get down. Enough to at least make the D have to pay attention to the QB on the read.


Just like he did against Nicholls, I think you are going to see him keep it a few times on zone reads just to keep defenses honest. You'll probably see a few occasions as the season goes on where he runs if no one is open. But I also think the coaches are specifically trying to limit his running because they are not confident in their backup QBs.

Daniels was such a great runner that the coaches couldn't worry too much about him getting hurt. The benefit of him running FAR outweighed the risk of injury. Plus, I think they had much more confidence in Nussmier as the backup than they do with the current group. That's not the case here. While a few key runs from Nussmeier may be necessary as the season goes on. I don't think you will see many designed runs....at least not until later in the season.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
72291 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 2:27 pm to
I dont mind him keeping a defense honest maybe once or twice a game with him pulling it and running AND SLIDING...but we cannot afford him to be running the ball any significant amount each game. IF he gets hurt and we have to go to Swann or Collins this is a suddenly a "Rebuild" year at that point
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34201 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 2:36 pm to
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I thought he looked to have enough speed to run more than he has

Hes fine to run. They arent going to call Nuss' number. Ever

They cant afford for him to get hurt. And you saw how unprepared they are to go to a back-up. They chose the guy that didnt know to get rid of the ball with no TOs left, over a former SEC starter

Its comedic
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 2:47 pm to
I’ve been thinking about this and it’s kind of funny… I’d like to see Nuss roll out and force some DBs to make a decision every now and then. But our pass blocking has been so good that there’s rarely been a reason for him to leave the pocket in the first place.

I do think he’s quick enough to make some plays with his feet. Nothing like Daniels obviously, and I don’t think he is as quick as Burrow.. Burrow was pretty fast actually. But he’s certainly not Myles Brennan either.

I think the tough part is that the drop off from QB1 to QB2 is much larger than we had last year. We need him healthy. That said, at some point he’s going to need to pull the ball on a zone read and he’s not going to be able to slide as soon as he gets close to a defender. Otherwise I don’t know why we even run it, unless the keeper option is just a bootleg pass.
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