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Posted on 5/31/21 at 11:44 pm to LSUstephen17
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Tom Herman failed in a power 5 conference.
Herman didn't quite fail, but he didn't bring Texas to a championship level. Texas had three consecutive losing seasons before he got there. Herman won immediately and he had four consecutive winning seasons topped off with four consecutive bowl wins. Although he won double digit games and beat UGA in the Sugar Bowl in his 2nd year to finish in the top 10, his teams were very inconsistent and played down to competition after that, so he didn't reach the level most expected him to reach.
Vitello already has Tennessee as a high national seed for the regionals and that is impressive considering he is coaching in the hardest conference and the Vols hadn't made even an NCAA tourney appearance since 2005 before he arrived a few years ago.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 12:24 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 1:31 am to geauxpurple
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everyone here thought Tom Herman was the answer
No, not everyone. I could not get excited about the prospect of hiring a guy who lost to SMU, I thought that he was way over-hyped. I also thought that he would bolt for Texas eventually. Turns out he saved us from that and went to Texas before we could hire him in the first place.
As for Vitello, I do understand the hype. He has turned that program around and is doing good things. He would do well here.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:35 am to LSUstephen17
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Tom Herman failed in a power 5 conference.
Vitello hasn’t
Big difference
Tom Herman HAD NOT failed in a Power 5 conference when we were considering hiring him. That’s WaWa’s point, Vitello could be a crappy coach like Herman who happened to do well for a season or two.
I think the difference is that Houston was building their football program long before Herman came. Their last coach had such success at Houston that A&M hired him. Vitello seems to have built TN himself.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:13 am to WaWaWeeWa
It’s going to be Sully anyway. Tadlock is a target but he’s happy at TTU. Godwin is fools gold so it won’t be him
Posted on 6/1/21 at 6:25 am to josh336
If it’s about setting yourself up with national seeds and putting your team in position to make a run in the tournament isn’t Sully the perfect person for that... just off of that argument
Posted on 6/1/21 at 6:30 am to LSUstephen17
Wow! Is this Tiger Rant? Don’t insult the guy?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 6:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
Listen, Herman coaching at Houston and Vitello coaching against the SEC have nothing in common. I'll say it again, it's about projecting. Vitello's program building is elite. And you can't fault him for covid canceling 19...this would be 2 great years in a row.
If we miss on him, we'll regret it like Sean Payton regrets being one spot from drafting Mahomes. Sometimes risk is necessary, but the rewards will be great.
If we miss on him, we'll regret it like Sean Payton regrets being one spot from drafting Mahomes. Sometimes risk is necessary, but the rewards will be great.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:04 am to Big EZ Tiger
I consider Herman a failure. He never beat OU and averaged a Alamo Bowl in his time there. He got fired for a reason the guys a bust and still has no job might I add
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:12 am to WaWaWeeWa
Vitello is the flavor of the month. It would be a mistake.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:30 am to josh336
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its about getting national seeds and putting yourself in position
If this is true wouldn’t there be at least 4 names on “the list” with better (more proven) track records? Most notably, KOS’s potential off-field issues notwithstanding, I just don’t understand the hate for him.
Is it just that Vitello is younger?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:50 am to r2d2
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Vitello is the flavor of the month. It would be a mistake.
For those of us that follow college baseball this is not true. I have been talking about LSU hiring him to replace CPM when that time comes for a couple years now.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 8:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
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He’s had one good season which isn’t even over.
He started 2020 15-2. So pump the brakes on one hood season.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 8:50 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Give me someone who has won consistently at a high level.
That can work, but there’s a glaring weakness with that approach. You basically know what you’re getting, so if you don’t get one of the top 2-3 most accomplished coaches, then you’re not going to return LSU to the pinnacle of the sport. You’ll get them to Omaha 6-7/10 years, but maybe only one title because the best of the best coaches are always standing in the way. The other approach is to identify and hire the guy that would be one of the top 2-3 coaches if he had the resources.
The question is, is LSU aiming to be good, great or the best? I say if you can’t get the best proven coach, figure out which up and comer is going to be the best.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:07 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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The other approach is to identify and hire the guy that would be one of the top 2-3 coaches if he had the resources
I don’t know that I agree with OP, but wouldn’t most people have said this about Tom Herman when he was at Houston?
Couldn’t a case also be made that bigger opportunities/more money could go to someone’s head and have an adverse impact?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
In that he's the hot name? Sure. But that's where the similarities end. Vitello learn ALOT from one the greats in Schlossnagle at TCU and applied to the shite program in Tennessee. The results are what you're seeing now.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:34 am to josh336
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i dont give a frick what they do in the postseason, its about getting national seeds and putting yourself in position.
Kinda like CPM?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:45 am to r2d2
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Vitello is the flavor of the month. It would be a mistake.
Yet the board flipped out when Herman wasn't hired as football coach.
Vitello has had more success at UT.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:46 am to Quesadilla Superman
Goodwin is no fools gold. Not saying we will hire him but he can def recruit and is good bench coach
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
I disagree to the extent that Vitello has had success as a HC against SEC competition. Herma's successes came as an assistant and Lower division. Vitello has not run around kissing his players.
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