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Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:26 am to Penrod
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Tom Herman HAD NOT failed in a Power 5 conference when we were considering hiring him. That’s WaWa’s point, Vitello could be a crappy coach like Herman who happened to do well for a season or two.
Anyone could be a crappy coach. You don't know until they interview and/or are given the reigns.
There is NO comparison, Herman had never been in charge of a P5 program when Texas hired him.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:34 am to tygerphan
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wouldn’t most people have said this about Tom Herman when he was at Houston?
It’s a higher risk approach and the AD’s job is to look past the hype and investigate the coach via references, interviews, etc.. Identifying talent is a skill that not all ADs possess
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:38 am to LSUstephen17
That’s a good point
Herman had success at a small school where as Vitello has had success in our actual conference.
The only question is if this is peak or something he can do consistently.
Herman had success at a small school where as Vitello has had success in our actual conference.
The only question is if this is peak or something he can do consistently.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:46 am to WaWaWeeWa
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He’s had one good season which isn’t even over. What if he blows it in the regional?
The hype is way overblown.
You mean the way Mainierie did on multiple occasions? Tennessee would not be such a big surprise if Covid hadn't cancelled the 2020 season. They were on track to be a legit contender in the EAst, the SEC overall, and a possible Omaha team. They had 3 players drafted in the 5 round 2020 draft, including a pitcher taken 11th overall.
Nothing about the Tennessee baseball program screams one hit wonder. Vitello is winning now with almost exclusively his players. He's an intense coach who seems to be really good at evaluating talent and then getting them to produce on the field. He had Tennessee in the NCAA in his second year, and possibly could be on his 2nd straight year as a National Seed.
You can talk about his coaching inexperience or his age. But you can't seriously say he's not a premier college baseball coach and program director with tremendous upside.
He was also coached at Missouri by Mainierie's former UNO teammate. So there's a connection. My opinion is if you're looking for a young, accomplished college coach who can recruit and develop players and be program icon, there's only 1 name on the list: Tony Vitello.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:49 am to LSUstephen17
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Tom Herman failed in a power 5 conference. Vitello hasn’t Big difference dont insult the guy!
Vitello has been at UT for four seasons. This is the first season he’s had a winning conference record.
Herman was at UT for four years and took them to a NY6 bowl one of those years. The comparisons are appropriate.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:52 am to sportjunkie69
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They had 3 players drafted in the 5 round 2020 draft, including a pitcher taken 11th overall.
And at least two of the three were his own recruits, not guys he inherited from the previous staff. His first HS signee as Tennessee‘s coach (meaning his recruit not from the previous staff) was Garrett Crochet, who is already in the majors after 3 years at Tenn.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:58 am to LSUstephen17
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I consider Herman a failure. He never beat OU and averaged a Alamo Bowl in his time there. He got fired for a reason the guys a bust and still has no job might I add
Fair enough. He did beat OU his 2nd year the first time they played, but he didn't meet the high expectations. I also think he has some immature characteristics that didn't help him, but he is young. He left the program in better shape than when he got there though for sure.
The Chicago Bears hired him as an offensive analyst and special teams person. He'll get another head coaching job in college that is the right fit if he wants because he did have decent success, but not like what was anticipated. Texas had too many head-scratchers against less talented teams and their D remained an issue.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 1:37 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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No that’s exactly the point. Top 3 programs don’t hire coaches with 3 years experience and one winning season that isn’t even complete.
You think Kentucky basketball would hire a coach with a resume like that?
Or Alabama football?
If we are elite as you say we would hire a coach with a significant winning history because we can get anyone.
I fully agree with your assessment on Vitello.
I disagree that you can get anyone. A number of top tier coaches are planted where they are.
But again, LSU is a top tier job.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 1:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Saban wasn’t merely a hot name. He was an established and highly thought of DC with the Browns and building a solid program at Mich State but he wasn’t a one hit wonder. He had a track record. Herman was a one hit wonder at UH and beat BAMA as an OC once. That was it
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The one holdback for LSU is Vitello is a student of Dave Van Horn. Dave will be Tony's daddy as long as his daddy Dave coaches. Everytime little Tony's daddy spanks him, LSU fans will have to choke down a bottle of those embarrassing gifs of Van Horn pushing little bearded Tony in a baby stroller sucking on a pacifier wearing an LSU cap. Just like the ones already out there in googleland with daddy Dave and little Tony wearing his orange Tennessee cap. Lolol.
If I was an LSU fan that would be more than I could choke down.
If I was an LSU fan that would be more than I could choke down.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:05 pm to Max Guru
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The one holdback for LSU is Vitello is a student of Dave Van Horn. Dave will be Tony's daddy as long as his daddy Dave coaches. Everytime little Tony's daddy spanks him, LSU fans will have to choke down a bottle of those embarrassing gifs of Van Horn pushing little bearded Tony in a baby stroller sucking on a pacifier wearing an LSU cap. Just like the ones already out there in googleland with daddy Dave and little Tony wearing his orange Tennessee cap. Lolol.
Why do you think Van Horn was a bigger influence on Vitello than Tim Jamieson?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:30 pm to ProjectP2294
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Why do you think Van Horn was a bigger influence on Vitello than Tim Jamieson?
I didn't say that, or anything like it really. I just brought to light what you're going to get from Arkies everytime you lose to them. The daddy chant of assortments.
Vitello is now 1-6 against Van Horn. It took a UT walkoff in the bottom of the ninth to prevent 0-7. Kirby can't beat Nick either.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:31 pm to Max Guru
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I just brought to light what you're going to get from Arkies everytime you lose to them.
And that should influence our coaching decision why?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:01 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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He’s had one good season which isn’t even over. What if he blows it in the regional?
they were like 15-2 before covid hit...
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:27 pm to ProjectP2294
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And that should influence our coaching decision why?
Here is part of why, (just one part).
Vitello didn't play a single game in out of conference play from a power 5 conference this season. So about 20 of the wins in his tally are deceptive gimmes. I don't think any of them even made the NCAA tournament. He has shown nothing while at Tennessee as to ability to go OOC and win against good teams. UT may not even survive it's own regional.
Secondly on the one part, 4 of his series wins were againt 4 of the SEC teams that failed to make the NCAA tournament. Sweeping some of those, futher adding deception to his record. He had the bottom of the barrel at his disposal.
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This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:31 pm to Max Guru
What the frick does any of that have to do with what Arkansas fans say about Vitello?
Do you ever answer the question that’s asked or is everything a non sequitur?
Do you ever answer the question that’s asked or is everything a non sequitur?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:34 pm to Max Guru
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Vitello is now 1-6 against Van Horn. It took a UT walkoff in the bottom of the ninth to prevent 0-7. Kirby can't beat Nick either.
You love clinging to this. Arkansas is still a superior program than Tenn.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:39 pm to rumination
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Arkansas is still a superior program than Tenn.
And knowing the roster make up of the two teams, I know Vitello didn’t build the majority of Arkansas’ current roster, but he did get them Kevin Kopps.
That’s how he met his current pitching coach, because they kept running into each other recruiting Kopps for Arkansas and Houston respectively.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:43 pm to Max Guru
quote:That’s an interesting spin job considering they won series against 4 SEC teams who made the tournament.
Secondly on the one part, 4 of his series wins were againt 4 of the SEC teams that failed to make the NCAA tournament. Sweeping some of those, futher adding deception to his record. He had the bottom of the barrel at his disposal.
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