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re: Unpopular opinion - Wade GOOD but not ELITE
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:41 am to TigerFan244
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:41 am to TigerFan244
I’ll take good at this point
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:42 am to Madking
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Brown made it 10 straight years and look what happened. Dale wasn’t the greatest coach, he recruited well and had great assistants prior to the 90s but look at what you can accomplish by consistently putting yourself in position.
For all that success, if it weren’t for his Final Four run, he wouldn’t be considered elite by anyone, especially after his most talented team fell absolutely flat. Many may still not think of Dale as elite, but having that Final Four run is what anchors him as a great coach, not just a consistently good one in the regular season.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:45 am to misey94
That’s a non sequitur and has nothing to do with what my post states. You’re big on context when it goes a certain way then you ignore it when it doesn’t. That’s not context, it’s bias.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:46 am to drizztiger
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I am literally that dude and I consider myself an LSU MBB fan. I’ll take it everyday and twice on Sundays.
But like you said in another post, you’re an LSU fan first and foremost, not a Wade fanboy. I’d be happy if LSU is a consistent tournament team with an occasional Sweet 16 as well. I’m not saying I’m disappointed in the hire, at least not from a performance on the court perspective. I just think that most of those giddy over this hire truly believe they are getting more than just consistent tournament appearances. I hope they turn out to be right, but Wade’s going to have to show he can take the next step first. It’s definitely possible he can, but far from a certainty.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:50 am to Madking
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As usual, just move the goalpost whenever the failed point is refuted. That’s all you guys ever do
There’s no failed point here. Anyone calling any college coach in any sport elite without true title contention (BCS or CFP in football, E8 and F4s in basketball, Omaha in baseball) or winning a title is either a fricking fool or has some kind of agenda. We all know which it is with you.
Just let Wade prove it for fricks sake.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:50 am to Madking
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You don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about
Again, what you think I do or do not know isn’t going to set me off given it’s pretty clear you are clueless about what my opinion even is. You’ve just gone off the deep end because you’ve decided I’m the enemy for some reason you can’t even articulate.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:52 am to misey94
What I said was he’s accomplished some elite things and they’ve been listed. I’ve also asked for you people to define elite but not one of you has been able to do it and we all know why.
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 12:57 am
Posted on 3/28/26 at 12:55 am to MikeTheTiger71
Again being dishonest and that proof can go back to the first couple of exchanges where you went back and forth on your takes, created straw men, moved goal posts and ran away from topics. I don’t think you’re ignorant about basketball, I know you are. If you knew anything you wouldn’t use parroted, false narratives from this board and you wouldn’t use easily refuted, thinly researched information. You’d just know what you were talking about.
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 1:00 am
Posted on 3/28/26 at 1:08 am to Madking
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Again being dishonest and that proof can go back to the first couple of exchanges where you went back and forth on your takes, created straw men, moved goal posts and ran away from topics. I
I have not done a single one of the things you have accused me of. You’re the one that’s gone off topic and argued against points I never made. You’re the one being dishonest making false accusations. I can’t help it if you read things into my posts that weren’t there because you made assumptions about my opinions and motives that were incorrect. You’ve lost all rationality because something set you off.
By and large I have stayed out of the MBB discussions on this board, so the idea that you think I’m parroting talking points is laughable. I wouldn’t even know what the talking points are to be able to parrot them. The SEC is stronger now than during Wade’s first tenure. That’s not even debatable. More SEC teams are well-funded now than before. There’s no direct evidence of that since most cheating programs were better at hiding it, but the results on the court certainly suggest that is the case. Either some programs weren’t cheating then or they were just bad at it. Wade isn’t walking into a better position funding wise than he had before. He’ll have more money to spend, but so does everyone else. That’s the end of my point. Whatever else you are reading into that that has set you off is wrong.
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 1:10 am
Posted on 3/28/26 at 1:18 am to MikeTheTiger71
You’re just trolling at this point
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 1:41 am
Posted on 3/28/26 at 8:40 am to Tiger2tiga
I don’t need your help. Thanks though.
Top 25 rankings are pointless and often skewed to media darlings. Record, excitement and making the post season is what matters, and we consistently did it will the General and will be doing it again soon.
Top 25 rankings are pointless and often skewed to media darlings. Record, excitement and making the post season is what matters, and we consistently did it will the General and will be doing it again soon.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 9:50 am to MikeTheTiger71
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By and large I have stayed out of the MBB discussions on this board, so the idea that you think I’m parroting talking points is laughable. I wouldn’t even know what the talking points are to be able to parrot them. The SEC is stronger now than during Wade’s first tenure. That’s not even debatable. More SEC teams are well-funded now than before. There’s no direct evidence of that since most cheating programs were better at hiding it, but the results on the court certainly suggest that is the case.
What has improved the SEC is not better funding. It's what ALWAYS improves programs. Better coaching. That goes for football too. Look at Indiana. Did they one day decide after 100 years of being one of the worst programs in America they were going to dump an unprecedented amount of money into building a championship football program? No. They hired the right HC....then EVERYTHING else flowed from that. Go back to the SEC in 2018-2019 in basketball. The same year LSU signed Ried, Smart, Williams, Days, Vanderbilt signed 3 top 40 players. LSU won the SEC. Vandy went 0-18 in the league. Why such a discrepancy? Coaching!
When Wade was last in the SEC the league had Pearl, Oats, Cal (Kentucky), Barnes, Buzz Williams, then a collection of mediocre guys. Now he returns to Oats, Golden, Byington, Cal (Arkansas), Barnes, Beard, Miller, etc
The improved coaching, overall, is going to make it a battle. But it won't be a funding discrepancy that determines the outcome. Otherwise, Kentucky would be playing today/tomorrow for a trip to the Final Four rather than being ridiculously lucky to make it out of the first round.
LSU will have a good enough roster to compete. But here's the reality. They've had a good enough roster to compete for FOUR years! No, that doesn't mean the roster was Final Four good, or anywhere close. But good enough to be far better than worst in the league. The reason it was worst in the league is because it had the worst coach in the league. Wade is not that.
For FOUR years we've had to listen to every excuse under the sun explaining why LSU has been so bad, all while ignoring the actual problem stoically staring you in the face on the sideline. LSU has finally stopped fruitlessly treating the "symptoms" and addressed the actual root cause. I'm not going to predict LSU is a Final Four team, or even a Sweet 16 team next year. But I am 100% confident the results will be VASTLY different from the last 4 seasons. Not because Wade is or is not a better "cheater". Not because Wade will generate more NIL. But because LSU has finally dropped the anchor that drug this program to the deep abyss of losing and irrelevance
Posted on 3/28/26 at 10:18 am to Forever
If you didn't think Les was entertaining then WTF were you Watching! He played smash mouth football, is that what bored you? Winning but by ball control? Just curious why you are saying this? He ate grass and had classic press conferences! Was Saban entertaining? Are you talking about half time shows? How old are you? Not being a dick just if you feel like it you can answer ????????????
Posted on 3/28/26 at 10:23 am to TigerFan244
Conveniently leaving out what he did at McNeese?
Posted on 3/28/26 at 10:33 am to MikeTheTiger71
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Again being dishonest and that proof can go back to the first couple of exchanges where you went back and forth on your takes, created straw men, moved goal posts and ran away from topics
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I have not done a single one of the things you have accused me of. You’re the one that’s gone off topic and argued against points I never made
It’s amazing, you can stay away from this board for months and come back and find a thread where this guy is hurling the same insults about “lying, moving goal posts, making straw men”
This post was edited on 3/28/26 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/28/26 at 10:49 am to TigerFan244
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People are going to expect more - not just regular season wins, but consistent tourney appearances and he has not shown he can do that anywhere.
He's literally done it everywhere he's been.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 1:11 pm to Madking
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You’re just trolling at this point
And you’re projecting.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 1:13 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Lmao thanks for proving my point
Posted on 3/28/26 at 2:08 pm to Alt26
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What has improved the SEC is not better funding. It's what ALWAYS improves programs. Better coaching.
To some extent, the two go hand-in-hand. The schools with better coaches now made an investment in those coaches and have committed funds to build the rosters they need to compete. Most had mediocre coaches before because they weren’t invested in their programs. That also doesn’t explain the fact that coaches like Barnes and Oats have taken things up a notch since Wade was fired.
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But it won't be a funding discrepancy that determines the outcome.
Obviously you need players and coaches. My point was that Wade isn’t going to be any better funded relative to other schools in the conference than he was before. The existence of revenue sharing and NIL won’t make him more successful. Whether it’s coaching, funding, or some combination of the two, the league is more competitive now. That doesn’t mean Wade can’t compete, but it’s inaccurate to think it’s going to be easier for him now.
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But I am 100% confident the results will be VASTLY different from the last 4 seasons.
I don’t disagree with that. Wade is clearly better than McMahon.
Posted on 3/28/26 at 2:09 pm to Madking
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These people don’t follow college basketball, they don’t know what they’re talking about.
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Madking
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