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re: UCI fans were PISSED at Gillespie after the game...

Posted on 6/5/10 at 8:53 am to
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
7678 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 8:53 am to
I don't consider the squeeze a trick play. It is a play that if well executed, can be productive. It is not different than a hit and run call.

Trying to steal home by distracting the pitcher is Bush league.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 8:55 am to
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Gillespie is an overrated coach.


Not so fast my friend......

He's over rated only if you rate him as the best ever. If you rate him as very good, then you are probably just about right.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81985 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:07 am to
They should be pissed at their right fielder for diving for a ball with the lead with a runner at 1st and 2 outs. That was fricking stupid.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:09 am to
BTW, how has USC been since he left?
Posted by towknie
Frisco, TX
Member since Jun 2007
136 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:26 am to
If you search my earlier posts, I believe I called the steal of home attempt. Thing about Gillespie, with this play as well as the 7-man outfield, is that his "tricks" are getting long in the tooth.

As for being the best thing that ever happened to the program, that honor would go to current UCLA AD Dan Guerrero who not only resurrected a dormant program, but also set expectations for it to be a nationally competitive team. John Savage built the foundation and Dave Serrano brought it to fruition.

Mike Gillespie has slowly and steadily brought the program into a post season also ran and has alienated a lot of his players and their parents.

In addition, when he was hired for the '08 season, it was to be a somewhat interim agreement for three years with the understanding that associate head coach Pat Shine would inherit the reins for the 2011 season. But noooo. Ego. Mike goes behind closed doors and negotiates himself a 3-year extension. I wouldn't blame Pat Shine one iota if he took off for head coaching greener pastures.

I really do fear for the long term health of our program and hope that we don't end up as some historical footnote in the annals of Omaha.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8748 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:33 am to
Gillespie hasn't exactly impressed a lot of LSU fans with his antics the last several years. The hidden ball trick was something most coaches would never even consider attempting. Maybe he harbors some deep seated hatred of LSU beginning in the 90's with USC? Supposedly they tried the hidden ball trick again last night, and that's almost embarrassing if true.
Posted by PokerPlayingTiger
Member since Jan 2007
2745 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:08 am to
quote:

The Civil War Should Have Been 2 outta 3!


Glutton for punishment?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:14 am to
I would have thought they would be more pissed about the four outfielder trick.

Dean hit the ball right where the 3rd baseman would have been and it would have been GAME OVER if the guy wasn't standing in the outfield.
Posted by crowbar832001
Member since Dec 2008
3664 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:17 am to
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UCI fans were PISSED at Gillespie after the game...


All 2 of them?
Posted by Flyin Tighas
FWB in the 850
Member since Sep 2009
1780 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:40 am to
Posted by towknie
Frisco, TX
Member since Jun 2007
136 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:45 am to
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All 2 of them?


I know I'm a big guy, but there really is only one of me.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31411 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:33 am to
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The funny thing is the ones complaining about the trick play that didn't work, are not complaining about the squeeze that did.

To quote Shaq, "One lucky shot deserves another."


A squeeze is a straight up baseball play, and it was a good one. The runner falling down is a weak attempt to either draw a balk or confuse the left handed pitcher looking right at the guy that fell. Putting the 3rd baseman in left was pretty dumb too.
Posted by am4titansandlsu
The South
Member since May 2006
10637 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:41 am to
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I really do fear for the long term health of our program and hope that we don't end up as some historical footnote in the annals of Omaha


I think yall will be fine....I HATE playing you guys....... I hope yall lose today for the simple fact I dont want anything to do with UCI in case we lose to UCLA. thats out of respect
Posted by LSUKAT
Birmingham, AL.
Member since Dec 2007
1440 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:52 am to
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I think yall will be fine....I HATE playing you guys....... I hope yall lose today for the simple fact I dont want anything to do with UCI in case we lose to UCLA. thats out of respect


I second that comment......tough team UCI - I just want to bring the Super Regional back to Baton Rouge.....this was horrible to make LSU travel so far for a regional, trying to knock us out of a chance at OMAHA....
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7279 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:05 pm to
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A squeeze is a straight up baseball play, and it was a good one. The runner falling down is a weak attempt to either draw a balk or confuse the left handed pitcher looking right at the guy that fell. Putting the 3rd baseman in left was pretty dumb too.


The squeeze is to baseball like the fake punt or flea-flicker is to football. It's gimmicky due to the low probability of success. They all fall in the trick play category.

Having a guy fall down on the play is just goofier than any of them.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10329 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:11 pm to

Was the squeeze a suicide or safety squeeze???

A suicide would be more gimmicky to me than a safety squeeze.
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7279 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:12 pm to
This was a suicide. He was going on the pitcher's motion.

BTW, here is a nice botched attempt.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 12:13 pm
Posted by GeauxLSU8
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
4242 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:12 pm to
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Gillespie hasn't exactly impressed a lot of LSU fans with his antics the last several years. The hidden ball trick was something most coaches would never even consider attempting. Maybe he harbors some deep seated hatred of LSU beginning in the 90's with USC? Supposedly they tried the hidden ball trick again last night, and that's almost embarrassing if true.


It's true



UC Irvine coach Mike Gillespie did his best to juke LSU with his repertoire of trick plays.

This time, though, neither one fooled the Tigers.

In the fifth inning, Katz advanced to third base after he led off with a double and Mahtook singled to left.

Anteaters’ third baseman Brian Hernandez held onto the ball while pitcher Daniel Bibona paced around the mound to ready himself to face Tyler Hanover. It appeared Hernandez was waiting for Katz to wander off base so he could tag him out, which happened when the two teams met in a super regional in 2008.

Finally, when Katz stayed put, Hernandez tossed the ball to Bibona.

Then in the ninth inning, Gillespie reached up his sleeve again.

After UCI took a 9-8 lead on Ryan Fisher’s two-out single, Gillespie sent pinch-runner Dillon Bell in. Bell swiped second and got to third on Gibb’s throwing error.

LSU freshman reliever Jordan Rittiner walked D.J. Crumlich to put runners on the corners and with Sean Madigan at-bat, Crumlich broke for second and intentionally fell down. Bell started toward the plate, but Rittiner stepped off the rubber and triggered a rundown play that ended with Rittiner tagging Bell out.

“Any time you run a first-and-third play, you understand that if the other team keeps its poise and plays catch, you’re out,” Gillespie said. “It’s a gamble and in doing so you’re counting on somebody be surprised, breaking down, or not playing catch (well) — stealing a run.

“If the other team, or in this case the pitcher, does what he’s taught to do and trained to do then you’re out. We were trying to get an add-on run. You roll the dice and if it works you’re smart and if it doesn’t you’re a moron.”



LINK

Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
7678 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:19 pm to
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The squeeze is to baseball like the fake punt or flea-flicker is to football. It's gimmicky due to the low probability of success. They all fall in the trick play category.


No, the squeeze is the same as a hit and run. You are putting a runner in motion with the idea that the batter will make contact. It is not a trick/gimmicky play, it is strategic call if you think your guy at the plate can execute it using his baseball skills.

A hidden ball trick or trying to do a straight steal of home plate by distracting the pitcher with a side show is Bush League.

Either the suicide squeeze or safe squeeze is not a trick, it takes baseball skill to pull it off.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133626 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:21 pm to
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the squeeze is the same as a hit and run.
Correct. It's not a trick play at all.
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