re: Two years in where does Orgeron stand?

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But he's progressed in recruiting.

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Let's wait until signing day. Picking up Emery was huge. Hopefully we can hold onto the bulk of the 2019 class. Winning a NY6 bowl game would a great way to start the new year.

My opinion is he's doing fine 2 years in. I don't see the same stubbornness to adapt on offense as I saw in Miles, and my opinion is we did not underachieve this year. If we win that A&M game (which I felt like we did 4 or 5 times) then that's an overachievement with this roster.

Amazing what the difference in losing vs winning that game does to the perception of a season.

I feel like he's holding us steady. I think people understate where we were roster-wise when Miles left. There were huge gaps and misses in recruiting.

2 years in I am not disappointed. However, we will need to make some huge splashes in recruiting very soon to be up there with A&M, Bama and Georgia. We simply HAVE to keep up with them.

I think the offense will be really good next year with some ELITE talent in the backfield and a non-patchwork O-line. I look for the offensive playcalling to expand because of that.

2 years in I give O a B+.

it was simply a sideways move

the very fact that he thinks ensminger is the best OC in the country says it all, the man is either stupid or willingly fooling himself so he can keep his friend as OC

Look for thre loss seasons for the next 2-5 years. Orgeron and his staff will be getting left behind.

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Two years in where does Orgeron stand?

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Hopefully in the unemployment line with Steve Ensminger and two years worth of dust sitting on top of them

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Here we go again with claiming something that didn't happen. We were told to be happy because LSU was 10-2, before they actually finished 10-2. Guess what happened? They didn't. The recruiting class ranking today does not mean jack shite, until those recruits are locked in during the two signing days.

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OK. You can wait until signing day to judge this. That's fine.

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What is this progression that you speak of? 9-3 is a progression from what exactly?

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I already answered this.

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That is one HUGE failure, don't you think?

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Absolutely.

BTW, I'm not an O apologist. But saying that everything he's done is a failure is wrong IMO. It makes you look like you have bias. But whatever. I think he's doing good in recruiting.

The bigger question is, why did we get rid of Miles? We have the same thing. I don't understand it. Maybe because Alleva didn't like him? Maybe because we thought Jimbo was in the bag? I don't know anymore, but it scares me to think the best we could do was O.

Miles had two 5 loss seasons in 11 years. Give o a little time and I think we might start seeing some of those 5 loss (or more) seasons more frequently.

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I feel like he's holding us steady. I think people understate where we were roster-wise when Miles left. There were huge gaps and misses in recruiting.

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And WHO was the big recruiter on staff in 2015 and 2016? hmmmmm? Can not pin this all on Coach Miles, a certain DL coach was heavily involved in recruiting and hired because of his supposed prowess in that aspect of coaching college football.

Every time he says we need better players here or there, he indicts himself, which I guess is one way to slice it. However it always seems like in saying this he throws his players "under the bus" but he is also saying I did not do a good job. Of course he says it that way to try to absolve himself for his faults.

A lot richer.