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re: Transfer portal policy fix
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:50 am to USMCTIGER1970
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:50 am to USMCTIGER1970
The only thing that needs fixing about the transfer portal is a permanent ruling that when a player enters the portal, his former team can cut him and use that scholarship to backfill in the next class.
Give it 1 off-season and the transfer portal problems will almost disappear.
Give it 1 off-season and the transfer portal problems will almost disappear.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:53 am to ArcticTiger
I think people are overly concerned about the players not finding a landing spot. I mean look at the examples in this thread. A walk-on and someone that couldn't crack the lineup at WR, got moved to CB for an emergency but was never going to get playing time there when everyone was available. Like it isn't some tragedy that he wasn't going to play here and tried to find a place to go. They might just be entering the portal to see if they get any interest but are fine to never play again if not.
EDIT: I also see Netherly being listed on the roster for Texas Southern (as a WR), so the tracking of where they end up might just not be great.
EDIT: I also see Netherly being listed on the roster for Texas Southern (as a WR), so the tracking of where they end up might just not be great.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:53 am to LSUcajun77
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finish what you started.
Funny how this only applies to the players not the coaches.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:59 am to USMCTIGER1970
I would like to see the portal lean heavily towards the guys that rarely or never play.
1) Transfers must sit out 1 year unless they played in fewer than 2 game the previous season, or are a graduate transfer.
2) To help clear the portal, schools can accept up to 5 transfers (on top of the 25 recruiting cycle counters) from the previous group, as long as they have under 85 scholarship payers, and only up to that 85 mark.
The portal has quickly become free agency for top tier talent. Instead, it should be an avenue for the guys at the bottom of the depth chart to find another opportunity to play.
1) Transfers must sit out 1 year unless they played in fewer than 2 game the previous season, or are a graduate transfer.
2) To help clear the portal, schools can accept up to 5 transfers (on top of the 25 recruiting cycle counters) from the previous group, as long as they have under 85 scholarship payers, and only up to that 85 mark.
The portal has quickly become free agency for top tier talent. Instead, it should be an avenue for the guys at the bottom of the depth chart to find another opportunity to play.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:00 am to Dizz
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Funny how this only applies to the players not the coaches.
Coaches have contractual agreements and ramifications for breaking them. Right now, with the current rules, players don’t.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:06 am to Dizz
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Funny how this only applies to the players not the coaches.
The only thing funny is you comparing an adult, working a job, deciding to switch jobs to provide for his family, and/or what’s best for their family, with a kid/young adult in school.
That has to be the least thoughtout argument ever.
If a kid doesn’t want to attend school and just wait for the draft or a career in which they think they’ll be qualified for, then do that. No one is holding them back.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:07 am to Sir Fury
I honestly believe it's too late. The horse is out of the barn.
The portal and NIL have changed college athletics forever.
The NCAA should have foreseen problems and put the restrictions and rules in before the portal became effective.
The portal and NIL have changed college athletics forever.
The NCAA should have foreseen problems and put the restrictions and rules in before the portal became effective.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:07 am to USMCTIGER1970
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Im personally all for a kid transfering if he or she wants, but if the rule was amended that if you transfer before your RS JR or SR year you had to sit a year I think it would cut down on all this indiscriminate transferring. What do you guys think?
Used to be you were immediately eligible ONLY if you were a graduate. That was a really good rule as it at least erred on the side of education rather than purely sport.
No idea why they felt the need to permanently institute 1 free transfer for anyone. The amount of freshmen in the portal is just dumb. It creates so much instability for things like roster management, and also so many kids get left without a scholarship in the end. Just seems bad for the sport and the kids overall. At least if a graudate wanted to transfer and couldnt find a landing spot they had a free degree already in their back pocket. How about all these freshmen and sophomores trying to transfer and never find a scholarship destination? Have fun taking out student loans.
Remember when college football used to at least be a little about college itself (What these kids are going to school for FREE for). There's just very little left with college football being about college any more. Every D1 kid thinks they are NFL material and must transfer around multiple times before they generally realize they arent that good and didn't ever decide on any school based on a degree rather how much they would play or who would pay the most.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:21 am to wadewilson
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The only thing that needs fixing about the transfer portal is a permanent ruling that when a player enters the portal, his former team can cut him and use that scholarship to backfill in the next class.
Can teams not do this now? Coaches have been processing kids for decades. Aren't scholarships still 1 year commitments unless stated otherwise?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:26 am to ArcticTiger
Found that story about Netherly. Article is about a year old, but still pretty relevant. LINK
OOF
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He spent months in the portal, and while he fielded a small handful of offers, most of them were for him to play defensive back. He wanted to play receiver. Five months after he officially withdrew from LSU, the Tigers won the national championship. Netherly spent that 2019 fall at a Texas junior college while his former teammates got title rings.
OOF
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He’s back in Houston now, raising his child, working toward that degree and possessing a lingering regret that he’s using to advise young portal hoppers today.
“Looking back, I probably wish I would have stayed at LSU, not just for football but to get my degree,” he says. “A lot of kids, I know they know where they are going before they put their name in the portal, but if not, you’re taking a big risk. You’re gambling on yourself. I know there aren’t 1,500 scholarships out there.”
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:31 am to NebraskaExPat
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I honestly believe it's too late. The horse is out of the barn.
The portal and NIL have changed college athletics for good.
This. College football has changed forever. We get to decide if we still want to be fans or not. I'm starting to think the NFL may be a purer game now. At least those players have contracts. I don't have time to watch football all day Saturday and Sunday, so I've got a big decision coming up next year.
As far as success under the new system, it all depends on which coaches/schools best adapt to the new rules. I'm interested to see if coaches even come close to signing 25 freshmen each year. I would personally use more of my openings for portal players. After all, once they use that free transfer to come to your team, they don't get another. Let someone else spend the time and money recruiting, developing, and worrying about them transferring.
If major schools don't sign 25 freshmen each year, that will leave some bigtime talent to go to smaller schools where they may ball out as freshmen. This helps bring more talent to lesser programs (although temporarily), and gives the bigger programs a developmental league. The ones who will be hurt most are those incoming freshmen who were in the bottom 10-20% of those receiving scholarships, because there will be fewer scholarships to go around.
These new rules open so many cans of worms. I can't decide if I hate it or love it, but it will be interesting.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:34 am to NorthSider72
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Not a transfer scholar, so is the losing Uni required to maintain the scholarship opportunity for an athlete sitting in the portal awaiting another offer if he's still at school and attending class. What if the program gives him 30 days to find another lilly pad and then pull the scholarship for use elsewhere?
The university can (if it chooses) cut financial aid for the following academic term whenever a player notifies the school of intent to transfer (meaning they enter the portal). So:
- If a player enters the portal during the fall semester, LSU can cut his scholarship for the spring semester.
- If a player enters the portal between fall and spring (e.g. from mid December to late January) LSU can cut his scholarship immediately.
- If a player enters the portal during the spring semester, LSU can cut his scholarship for the summer or fall semester.
I’m not sure how often this happens in practice. Take a guy like Deion Smith - if LSU wants him back at all, I would assume they are honoring his scholarship for the spring semester since he hasn’t transferred yet.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:43 am to BhamTigah
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If major schools don't sign 25 freshmen each year, that will leave some bigtime talent to go to smaller schools where they may ball out as freshmen. This helps bring more talent to lesser programs (although temporarily), and gives the bigger programs a developmental league. The ones who will be hurt most are those incoming freshmen who were in the bottom 10-20% of those receiving scholarships, because there will be fewer scholarships to go around.
This is really the rub for the NCAA. The math is pretty simple. Under the normal 25 initial counter cap, every transfer player that gets signed has a corresponding high school player that doesn’t get signed. In the long run, this will significantly impact overall scholarship numbers. If the NCAA wants to keep teams operating at 85 scholarships they will have to either curb transfers or provide permanent relief to allow for replacement of players who transfer out. Otherwise less high school kids will receive scholarships.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:47 am to victoire sécurisé
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Less freedom and more regulation?
Not every aspect needs to be wide open free. Chaos ensues and it'll collapse.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:50 am to LSUcajun77
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The thing we use to teach kids was to finish what you started. If you don’t want to honor a commitment, you can leave, but sitting out a season is the penalty.
There are penalties in life, this is a teaching moment.
You made the point I was trying to make, 100% better than I did. Thank you
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:51 am to LSUcajun77
You can argue this point all you want, but you should understand that imposing “strict parameters” is the same thing as “taking away their freedom”.
The imposition of consequences (strict parameters) is part of life. No major life decision comes without consideration for consequences. Can't imagine how this is debatable.
The imposition of consequences (strict parameters) is part of life. No major life decision comes without consideration for consequences. Can't imagine how this is debatable.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:54 am to victoire sécurisé
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This is how regulations work. Your proposal takes options away from players.
quote:You say these things as if there's something wrong with it.
ou can argue this point all you want, but you should understand that imposing “strict parameters” is the same thing as “taking away their freedom”.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:58 am to USMCTIGER1970
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, the old way was you had to sit a year no matter what
There was a loophole if the player graduated from the original school. That is why Burrow didn't have to sit out when he came here.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 10:07 am to victoire sécurisé
quote:in the regular marketplace, yes, I'm for more freedom and less regulation.
Less freedom and more regulation?
But sports leagues are different. The success of the sport depends on some level of parity among the teams, so that games will be competitive and fans will be interested.
If only a few teams have all the great players, it tilts the playing field (no pun intended), and the overall health of the game is negatively impacted.
It's why pro leagues have salary caps, and why colleges have scholarship limits.
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