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re: This USA Today crap feels way too calculated

Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by reagancajun
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:18 pm to
You're welcome.

Re: Guice specifically and others generally, the major issue is that these assaults weren't reported to the Title IX coordinator.

As I understand it, several of the players in question were released from the team, however.

Honestly, I need a spreadsheet to keep track of all of the pieces. (I'm not putting together a spreadsheet. )
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:25 pm to
The Left always eat their own
Posted by Manatee
Mandeville
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423 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:35 pm to
Timing definitely suspect.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:01 pm to
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There was legitimate new information in the piece yesterday.


not really, there was an old memo from Alleva to the staff stating all sexual violence must be reported to admin. and there was a paper that discussed a sexual violence title 9 investigation from 2018 but was so redacted it was virtually incomprehensible. They mentioned an instance that the admin helped a victim fill out a police report but didn't correctly fill out a title 9 form.
Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
3538 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:23 pm to
There's no grand conspiracy against LSU but I think this is honestly the case...

LSU is not the traditional power in either football or basketball. Nationally, schools like Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, and Ohio State are bigger deals in the football world and anything that can knock LSU down a peg or two is not going to be discouraged. Same thing with basketball and schools like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and North Carolina who can get away with pretty much anything but they will try as hard as they can to put the heat on Will Wade because he's encroaching on bigger program's recruits.

It's not that everyone has an axe to grind with LSU, it's just that nobody gives a shite about LSU and they aren't going to get preferential treatment compared to other institutions because nobody outside of Louisiana cares about LSU athletics.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59573 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:32 am to
And you wonder why this shite goes on around here. This is the kindve of attitude that leads to it. Excuse anything and attack the victim always, that’s how you create the culture we have now and put a big fat target on your back, Dipshit.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 5:35 am
Posted by BHS78
Member since May 2017
3034 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:40 am to
The media is after Coach O and LSU because they had the nerve to go to the White House and O said nice things about Trump. They must be destroyed.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27917 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:05 am to
LSU is saban’s Bitch. Face it.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
12467 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:18 am to
It’s USA Today. They’re worse that NYT and Wa Post sometimes. Didn’t used to be
Posted by Strannix
President Trump's America
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:20 am to
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This USA Today crap feels way too calculated


EVERYTHING the MSM writes about or reports on is calculated to push THEIR agenda
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10698 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:52 am to
The Title IX investigation report linked in the last USA Today article, while factually accurate, exemplifies all that is wrong with the law itself.

Calise Richardson was a student athlete recruiting hostess who had previously dated Drake Davis. After a game in October 2016, she walked into J&L's, saw him with another girl, called him out on it, didnt like what he said, and threw a drink in his face. That is according to her own statement and witnesses who were both her friends and his.

At that point, Davis' dumbass pushed her down and threw his own drink on her and was immediately thrown out of the bar. He then tried to approach her in the parking lot and showed up again at her apartment the same night. Totally unacceptable behavior from a piece of shite thug.

So, the next morning she reports and action is taken right? Nope. It is actually reported by either Davis or other players. She is brought in by her supervisor (Sharon Lewis, who heard of the incident from the players present in the bar) and asked if she wants to get help or go to the police. Richardson declines and she apparently forgets about it for two years.

At that point, the only compliance issue is the lack of someone not following a convoluted and poorly organized chain of command when reporting the incident to the Title IX department.

Two years later, she said she feels regret after hearing that Davis has been abusing other girls (along with being pissed about losing her job over the previous summer) and decides to pursue it again. It is then discovered that the reporting chain wasn't followed correctly, The Title IX office finally investigates and finds Lewis at fault. Enter USA Today and here we are.

Someone with a better legal understanding of this can correct me, but I believe Davis' status as an athlete has no bearing on the Title IX violation, but rather hinges only on them each being students. Tell me, if this is a bar fight between an EE major and her, is USA Today doing a story on a 3 yr old compliance snafu in the engineering department regarding an incident from 5 yrs ago?

Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 7:32 am to
fake news
Posted by ArcticTiger
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 7:51 am to
I hate to sound like a Conspiracy Theorist but look at what happened to Ole Miss after they SCREWED UP and Beat Bama two years in a row? One would think that it is abundantly clear in College Football that you should not challenge the Evil Empire?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 7:57 am to
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So, the next morning she reports and action is taken right? Nope. It is actually reported by either Davis or other players.

i'm pretty sure the players/Davis reported SHE attacked HIM

try to be honest

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At that point, the only compliance issue is the lack of someone not following a convoluted and poorly organized chain of command when reporting the incident to the Title IX department.

this is spin

the law, AS WELL AS LSU'S POLICY, states these claims are to be reported to the Title 9 coordinator. it's not convoluted

the AD specifically instructed its employees/coaches to report them to a person working in the AD, which is the behaviors the law specifically tries to prevent. the whole point of the law is to avoid EXACTLY what LSU was doing (circumventing Title 9 compliance by keeping it "in house")

then, on top of this, the actors "in house" in the AD did a BUNCH of things in violation of Title 9. the new USA today report has a copy of AN INVESTIGATION BY LSU that clearly states that one of these actors violated LSU's Title 9 policy for engaging in the admin's procedures

this is before we even get to destroying evidence (which is basically fact at this point) or any "cover up" allegations

LSU is in some seriously hot water
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10698 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:47 am to
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i'm pretty sure the players/Davis reported SHE attacked HIM

try to be honest


You lost me. How am I being dishonest? I only said the incident was reported by the players, as in not reported by her. And yes I agree that they likely blamed her for the incident. By her own admission she threw a drink at Davis. After that, all blame seems to lie with Davis and yes its easy to imagine his teammates saying what they could to support him when informing Craig of the incident.

quote:

this is spin

the law, AS WELL AS LSU'S POLICY, states these claims are to be reported to the Title 9 coordinator. it's not convoluted

the AD specifically instructed its employees/coaches to report them to a person working in the AD, which is the behaviors the law specifically tries to prevent. the whole point of the law is to avoid EXACTLY what LSU was doing (circumventing Title 9 compliance by keeping it "in house")



You misunderstood my point. When I said convoluted, I meant that it had to have been convoluted from Sharon Lewis' and Verge Ausberry's point of view. Lewis apparently had HR training that told her one way to handle a complaint, and an ignorant email from Alleva to her, Ausberry, Segar and the entire athletic department telling everyone to do something entirely different, and likely illegal.

Im not arguing that LSU isnt in seriously hot water over this. That's obvious. I'm trying to point out (poorly I admit) the absurdity of this situation's existence hinging on a victim who did not even initiate the original complaint.

Now, from that point forward, the manner in which the athletic department handled the issue resembles a monkey fricking a football. I'm not a lawyer, but I trust you when you say this is a legal nightmare.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:50 am to
quote:

Somebody is out to get us...


Paranoid? See a therapist. LSU screwed the pooch. We’re certainly not the only the program that has turned a blind eye to these serious issues. We won’t be the last. However, I’m willing to bet that other programs are reviewing any such incidents, reports etc which have occurred and taking some corrective or preventive actions.

Posted by 1badboy
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8103 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:06 am to
Penn State got away with enjoying the young boy's for about 25 years !
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:14 am to
why do our fans always think there is some grand conspiracy being orchestrated against LSU by some shadow figure behind the scenes?

The school fricked up and journalists are doing what journalists do.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4617 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Nationally, schools like Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, and Ohio State are bigger deals in the football world and anything that can knock LSU down a peg or two is not going to be discouraged.
Seems to me schools like those would be the first ones reporters would go after given half the chance. Bigger names, Bigger headlines.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
16032 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:34 am to
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Somebody is out to get us... I hope it's not an insider with an axe to grind.

Maybe, but it could also just be that USA Today is doing for the notoriety. Gotta keep the heat on to keep the clicks coming. They want to be the entity that took down a "dangerous" program.

Honestly, LSU will probably end up coming out a lot like Baylor. Except that Baylor did not self impose any sanctions. NCAA just finished the Baylor hearing (2+ years later) and hasn't made a decision yet.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 9:47 am
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