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Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:28 am to Swampcat
O managed to build that 19 team and its coaching staff.
His problem was a hurricane of different shite.
We had an extremely successful year in 19, which led to our DC getting a head coaching job, what amounted to our co oc getting a NFL OC job.
Then he had his own personal life issue crop up.
Then made a terrible hire for Dc in a washed clown in Bo.
Then we have the weak minded covid shut down happen which took away most of spring and summer practice. We unfortunately had to break in a new qb, rb and wrs, and lost a lot on D.
Then we have program cancer Ryan lead a bullshite mutiny. Plus the all sec schedule and of course our insane capacity limitation.
All of that really took him down and then he could have bounced back in 21 if he had been able to lock down the deal with Freeman to be our DC.
His problem was a hurricane of different shite.
We had an extremely successful year in 19, which led to our DC getting a head coaching job, what amounted to our co oc getting a NFL OC job.
Then he had his own personal life issue crop up.
Then made a terrible hire for Dc in a washed clown in Bo.
Then we have the weak minded covid shut down happen which took away most of spring and summer practice. We unfortunately had to break in a new qb, rb and wrs, and lost a lot on D.
Then we have program cancer Ryan lead a bullshite mutiny. Plus the all sec schedule and of course our insane capacity limitation.
All of that really took him down and then he could have bounced back in 21 if he had been able to lock down the deal with Freeman to be our DC.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:32 am to Saunson69
Why the hell does any provision make it into any legal contract? Because both parties agree to it. It's as simple as that.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:42 am to mike4lsu
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Honestly this approach that if do not win a NC by your third year you should be fired is insane
Holy straw man. The guy went 8-4 with bad, bad losses and his best win was a miracle comeback against Ole Miss. We'll be lucky to finish the season in the top 25
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:24 am to Saunson69
quote:because they sign an employment contract and the buyout clause is something both parties agreed to.
Why the hell do College Football Coaches have buyouts?
But I'd like to see the buyout clause softened for these longer duration contracts, with a sliding scale % based on when he's fired.
It seems absurd for a Jimbo or a Kelly-style contact to give a 10 year fully guaranteed contract. They could go 0-12 each of the first few years and still walk away with the full contract value. Just seems nuts to me.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:42 am to stuntman
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Not many people are saying that he needs to win a natty in year 3. The problem is that the team hasn't improved at all since his first year here.
Wins and losses are the bottom line, and Kelly hasn't improved shite after year one.
He definitely was an improvement over the 2020 and 21 teams, but he hasn’t been able to continue the improvement. The 22, 23, and 24 teams were all about the same record wise.
He has had problems improving the overall roster which is holding us back. He needs to fill in the gaps and bring some stability to the coaching staff.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:46 am to mdomingue
Thank you was about to post about the insane comp packages execs get.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:19 am to Tiger Prawn
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2022: 9-3 winning the SEC-W with upsets over Bama and Ole Miss 2023: 9-3 despite having a Heisman QB 2024: 8-4 with some ugly losses and having a harder time than any LSU team ever should with the OOC schedule we played. Unranked by season’s end
Actually it’s:
8-4 with humiliating losses at home to UAB, unranked Arkansas
10-3 SECCG
8-5 getting dragged by VaTech & Auburn, shutout by Bama, unranked Arky, and taking a beating by Texas in bowl game.
Oh wait, never mind. That was Nick Saban in his first 3 seasons at LSU. I wonder if y’all had this same energy then calling for Saban to be fired and whatnot.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:25 am to Saunson69
I'm pretty sure these CEOs have what they call a "golden parachute" clause which can be construed as a buyout for poor performance in a lot of cases.
Oh, and at a huge job like LSU, you won't get anybody worth a damn to come coach without ensuring their financial future in case they don't work out.
Oh, and at a huge job like LSU, you won't get anybody worth a damn to come coach without ensuring their financial future in case they don't work out.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:30 am to mdomingue
I replied to OP without reading your post first. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered. You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:55 am to mike4lsu
When they started paying $10 million a year vs $500,000 - you take the money then you take the expectations - simple.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:59 am to mike4lsu
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Honestly this approach that if do not win a NC by your third year you should be fired is insane
Name one person that has said if a coach doesn’t win a national championship in his 3rd year he should be fired.
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We play in the toughest conference in a era when strength of schedule is not factored in.
This simply is not true.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:15 pm to Saunson69
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Why the heck do College Football Coaches have buyouts?
Because the precedant has already been set, no worth while coach is going to sign a contract with no buyout if every other school is including them.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:37 pm to Big4SALTbro
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O managed to build that 19 team and its coaching staff.
Not to mention keeping some later round NFL talent like Rashard Lawrence and others to return for a chance to win it all. No major injuries either at crucial positions helped.
2020 saw teams lose 3 cupcake wins and be replaced with additional SEC games. No to mention replacing just about every playmaker we lost to the draft.
Chase sits out, Brennan hurt in Mizzou game, Stingley hurt early in season, Marshall quits before Bama, just a lot of shite that if it happened this past eyar, I don't think Kelly would have been sub .500
Brennan hurt in flip flops before the season started.
Bo was probably his biggest football mistake
2021 defense staff had some real promise, 2 of them are on staff today.
Also not recruiting a bit deeper for QBs to where Max Johnson was basically option 1 all along.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:43 pm to mike4lsu
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Also Nick Saban figured out that he could not match his own success any more. So he retired.
He retired because he is 73 years old. No way in hell does he retire if this same NIL/portal thing happened 5-10 years ago.
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There are more money in Texas and Texas A&M's coffers than there are churches in Alabama.
The coffers you refer to are endowments. Those endowments for those two schools are off the charts, but an endowment is only a measurement of net worth and not disposable income The Univ of Texas system and Texas A&M system endowment is tied almost entirely to land leases to oil companies and oil and gas revenue over the course of the last 100 years. It has absolutely nothing to do with NIL nor can it be used for NIL.
You can argue they have more rich alumni, but they had those same alumni pre-NIL funding the programs (and those same endowments) and how many titles did that get them? Paying players is nothing new, and its certainly nothing new in the State of Texas. Just because there are a lot of rich people does not mean those rich people are lining up to throw their money at 18-21 year old kids with no ROI and no tax benefits.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:10 pm to mike4lsu
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Honestly this approach that if do not win a NC by your third year you should be fired is insane
Don't take the big dollar contracts.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 4:49 pm to MrSinnyman
quote:LSU hadn’t been a consistent contender for anything in almost 30 years before Saban arrived and hadn’t won a title since the 1950’s. We were consistently a bottom half of the SEC program prior to Saban, so expectations were nowhere near what they are nowadays.
Oh wait, never mind. That was Nick Saban in his first 3 seasons at LSU. I wonder if y’all had this same energy then calling for Saban to be fired and whatnot.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 5:03 pm to Tiger Prawn
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We were consistently a bottom half of the SEC program prior to Saban, so expectations were nowhere near what they are nowadays.
While that may be true, some of these “fans” are pretty damn impatient. Rebuilds take time. We’re a society of instant gratification. LSU fans were fortunate to be able to taste glory 3 times in the last 20 years. Other than Bama, no other school in the country can say the same. So I do get the anxiety of coming up short. But damn, it ain’t “all or nothing”. Bama is going thru that right now (and maybe UGA). Those Gumps are already calling for DeBoogers head. In Texas, Sark did everything he could, has a great roster, great coaches, and still came up short. He’s in his 4th year and no Natty. 134 teams. One champion. It’s miserable going thru life with an “all or nothing attitude”. You’ll never be happy
Posted on 1/11/25 at 5:13 pm to MrSinnyman
I think most fans would be pretty satisfied with BK if he had gotten LSU into the 12 team playoff this year. He took over a tough situation, so nobody with realistic expectations thought he was winning a natty in his first couple of seasons. But we also don’t expect regression in year 3 that was supposed to be a season with higher hopes
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