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re: The woes of the running game at LSU
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:53 am to Bayou
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:53 am to Bayou
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We lack punch in our running game.
Been said for 100 years of football, you have to control the line of scrimmage. LSU did not do that or even come close. The PFF run block grades for the OL were abysmal. For all five of them.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:16 am to Wes_man225
There are about 50 teams out there who have a run game while running shotgun 75% of the time and no FB. It's the okay calling and blocking
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:20 am to xGeauxLSUx
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Why are teams like Ole Miss, Oregon, Ohio State, etc so good at rushing from the same/similar shotgun formations?
Ole Miss and Oregon QBs have had a tendency to pull and run quite a bit over the past number of years, so that helps. Unpredictable.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:24 am to Wes_man225
Are you asking for the toss dive?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:26 am to Corporal Beavis
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There are about 50 teams out there who have a run game while running shotgun 75% of the time and no FB. It's the okay calling and blocking
Those are RPOs and read options. As best I can tell LSU runs very few RPOs and basically zero read options.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:36 am to Wes_man225
The game has changed. What formation are you going to run this toss from? The inside/outside zone run scheme that everybody in this thread is shitting on is the same scheme 99% of college offenses run now. Teams, LSU included, run gap scheme as well but the majority is zone. Doing both from shotgun allows the RPO game which is deadly. There is a reason teams don’t line up in Iform and just run power and counter Trey anymore. Modern defensive schemes can easily counteract them. Unless you just have a much better OLine than the other team you aren’t just gonna bully them. Also when you toss or hand the ball off from under center you lose a hat and take away your ability to leave a defender unblocked and read him. If I line up with 5 OL, 1 TE, and a FB I have 7 guys blocking on a run. With that formation the defense can use 8 in the run fit. The defense has the advantage.
TL, DR
Modern defenses are too good to just line up in Iformation and try to bully ppl. Modern defenses run schemes allow offenses to equate the numbers game while taking advantage of the second level using RPOs.
TL, DR
Modern defenses are too good to just line up in Iformation and try to bully ppl. Modern defenses run schemes allow offenses to equate the numbers game while taking advantage of the second level using RPOs.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:38 am to RB10
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Those are RPOs and read options. As best I can tell LSU runs very few RPOs and basically zero read options.
Nuss kept a zone read for a big first down against Clemson.
LSU had used RPOs a ton already this year. Just because you aren’t smart enough to notice doesn’t mean they aren’t happening.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:39 am to Wes_man225
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:40 am to redfishfan
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Nuss kept a zone read for a big first down against Clemson.
So, one read option. It’s constantly wide open for Nuss to get 5-7 yards, yet he hands it off 99% of the time and “fakes” a keep that no one on the defense reacts to. Thats because they aren’t read options, they inside zone runs with a fake keep to try and hold the end.
So, “Basically zero” actual read options.
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LSU had used RPOs a ton already this year. Just because you aren’t smart enough to notice doesn’t mean they aren’t happening.
If LSU is running “a ton” of RPOs they must be terrible at it.
Personally, I know you’re just making shite up but I’m going to let you keep doing you.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:44 am to RB10
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So, one read option. “Basically zero”
No. That means he pulled it once. Likely called many more times but Nuss got a give read.
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If LSU is running “a ton” of RPOs they must be terrible at it. Personally, I know you’re just making shite up but I’m going to let you keep doing you.
I’m not making anything up. There are presnap RPOs and postsnap RPOs. An example of a postsnap RPO would be the play that Thomas dropped the pass on the glance route Saturday night against Tech. Nuss read the backer. He stepped up so Nuss ripped it to Thomas on the glance. Presnap RPOs is where Nuss is looking at the structure of the defense and making a decision. If he gets 2 high safety look it’s a give. If he gets 1 high they have a route combo he can throw. Again just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:49 am to redfishfan
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No. That means he pulled it once. Likely called many more times but Nuss got a give read.
See my edit. If Nuss is reading give on these plays he’s misreading it constantly. The defense is completely ignoring him in the run game.
You’re seeing an inside zone that Nuss fakes a keep on and think it’s a read option.
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I’m not making anything up. There are presnap RPOs and postsnap RPOs. An example of a postsnap RPO would be the play that Thomas dropped the pass on the glance route Saturday night against Tech. Nuss read the backer. He stepped up so Nuss ripped it to Thomas on the glance. Presnap RPOs is where Nuss is looking at the structure of the defense and making a decision. If he gets 2 high safety look it’s a give. If he gets 1 high they have a route combo he can throw. Again just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Then Nuss is making the incorrect read way too often.
Also, every offense goes to the line with two options. Those aren’t the RPOs I’m referring to, they’re checks.
Again, you know that but you’re just being combative because I said something you don’t like.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:51 am to RB10
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Then Nuss is making the incorrect read way too often.
Maybe. But you’d need the coaches tape (all 22) and know his read key to know for sure.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:54 am to redfishfan
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Maybe. But you’d need the coaches tape (all 22) and know his read key to know for sure.
No, I don’t. I can see him step into what would be an easy 7+ yards constantly on the broadcast.
Again, they’re inside zone with a “fake” by Nuss that no one reacts to.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:22 pm to RB10
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Again, they’re inside zone with a “fake” by Nuss that no one reacts to.
Just for reference how many times do you think we ran inside zone against Tech?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:42 pm to KyrieElaison
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Need a fullback occasionally
We have one, his name is Kaleb Jackson, he just doesn't know he's a FB.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:58 pm to redfishfan
Or the coach is making the incorrect call. If you don't have a running QB, don't call plays for the QB to run.
If you think he can and he doesn't, coach him better or sit his arse.
Bottom line, the coach has to put players in a position to utilize their skill sets, not plug just anybody into their preferred scheme and expect them to just make it work.
If you think he can and he doesn't, coach him better or sit his arse.
Bottom line, the coach has to put players in a position to utilize their skill sets, not plug just anybody into their preferred scheme and expect them to just make it work.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:01 pm to redfishfan
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Just for reference how many times do you think we ran inside zone against Tech?
More than we ran a read option, despite your bloviating.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:35 pm to RB10
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More than we ran a read option, despite your bloviating.
Twice. And read option is just inside or outside zone with Nuss reading the end or the overhang. And I would hope our OC would tell Nuss not to pull it against La Tech. Just my opinion though.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:48 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Full circle moment
Posted on 9/9/25 at 5:28 pm to Wes_man225
Zone run scheme with questionable line play means plays that should be successful simply haven’t been. I’m not sure if it is a communication issue or what. But it just hasn’t been good.
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