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re: The truth about Adam Miller
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:51 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:51 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:Dude, this is difficult for me.
mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:I appreciate this.
There is no sport I watch and support more at LSU than basketball
quote:He doesn't deserve that. Let's be honest about this.
I feel like my criticism of Adam might come off as emotionally harsh but it is backed by evidence.
quote:So let's take a guy like Tari. Did he improve?
I personally don't think he's any different from Illinois and is simply not equivalent to the hype.
Why would we not think Adam would improve outside the ACL?
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:51 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
A- you’re taking what it was meant for and twisting it into some talent level and numbers comparative
B- that’s exactly what dismissing it is. Your reasoning makes no difference. You’re excluding examples solely because they don’t fit your narrative.
Like I said, in the video his arc is higher, his quickness is better. Count the dribbles it takes for him to get from 60 feet, 40 feet, 22 feet to the rim compared to now. Look at how easy he elevates over the rim. And it doesn’t matter the competition he’s taking bumps and finishing through them which he has a lot of trouble doing now. Those are all signs of a difference in lower body strength. Again player evaluation is not numbers and stats.
Kobe Bryant, “stats tell you what happened they don’t tell you anything about how it happened.”
B- that’s exactly what dismissing it is. Your reasoning makes no difference. You’re excluding examples solely because they don’t fit your narrative.
Like I said, in the video his arc is higher, his quickness is better. Count the dribbles it takes for him to get from 60 feet, 40 feet, 22 feet to the rim compared to now. Look at how easy he elevates over the rim. And it doesn’t matter the competition he’s taking bumps and finishing through them which he has a lot of trouble doing now. Those are all signs of a difference in lower body strength. Again player evaluation is not numbers and stats.
Kobe Bryant, “stats tell you what happened they don’t tell you anything about how it happened.”
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:33 pm to Madking
quote:
A- you’re taking what it was meant for and twisting it into some talent level and numbers comparative
B- that’s exactly what dismissing it is. Your reasoning makes no difference. You’re excluding examples solely because they don’t fit your narrative.
I'm not twisting anything. I'm addressing the eye test and adding stats on top of it as evidence to back up my analysis. Furthermore, my point about stats was directed additionally to the person saying he was the best player on that team, he wasn't.
And yes, level of competition absolutely matters when evaluating a player. Saying it doesn't is foolish.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:34 pm to Madking
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quote:
mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Dude, this is difficult for me.
Why? How many times do I have to explain my name.
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He doesn't deserve that. Let's be honest about this.
Like I said, I never expected this thread to get the heat it did. I can't control people's reaction to what I post.
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So let's take a guy like Tari. Did he improve?
Why would we not think Adam would improve outside the ACL?
Of course he did. But he was also really good at Cincinnati and deserved a bigger opportunity.
Go back earlier in the thread and look at other posters getting downvoted saying he was the same player at Illinois.
Effect of injury on his ability or not, what is a fact is that even pre injury he wasn't as good as you all think. That is the main reason why I think his injury isn't drastically impacting his performance as you all are saying it is.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:20 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Nope, wrong and I didn’t post the things you’re responding to in that second post.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:26 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Again it doesn’t matter what your point was because it has nothing to do with what I posted. You can keep making up imaginary scenarios that spin your posts in a better light but the fact is the poster I responded to is correct and I provided the video evidence to support it. You melted because you hate Miller, had a bunch of ignorant takes and are now trying to backpedal and repackage them to save face.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:32 pm to drizztiger
“So let's take a guy like Tari. Did he improve?”
This is the luxury of him using double standards. Anytime you bring something up that torpedos his point he can just simply move the goalpost again.
This is the luxury of him using double standards. Anytime you bring something up that torpedos his point he can just simply move the goalpost again.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:33 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
I dont give Two Sh*&% about stats. If you watched any of those games in that tournament then you will see that he was the best player on that team in that tournament. He was a leader and a difference maker and made a lot of big, clutch baskets. Without him that team does not win the Gold Medal. Fact!
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:52 pm to Springlake Tiger
But his hair do is top fricken notch
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:06 pm to Madking
He brings nothing to the table. passes suck, shots suck, defense sucks
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:10 pm to Madking
I'm going to end with this. Decided to do some research earlier today while I was bored.
There are only two players on our roster that see meaningful minutes with both a negative box plus/minus rating in offense and defense: Adam Miller and Juice Hill.
This further backs up the piss poor eye test that these two have when on the court. Even players like Coleman, Ward, and Reed at least have at least one positive BPM rating on one side of the ball.
It's overwhelmingly clear when you evaluate him from statistics and eye test he isn't good. Plain and simple. I already responded to the footage you showed when I explained his shot form and change in driving tendencies. I'm done arguing the point over and over again. I want him to succeed, but he's simply not good.
There are only two players on our roster that see meaningful minutes with both a negative box plus/minus rating in offense and defense: Adam Miller and Juice Hill.
This further backs up the piss poor eye test that these two have when on the court. Even players like Coleman, Ward, and Reed at least have at least one positive BPM rating on one side of the ball.
It's overwhelmingly clear when you evaluate him from statistics and eye test he isn't good. Plain and simple. I already responded to the footage you showed when I explained his shot form and change in driving tendencies. I'm done arguing the point over and over again. I want him to succeed, but he's simply not good.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:48 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Miller's play this year, IMO, is a big indictment of just how poor a coaching job McMahon has done this season.
Miller has taken 169 3 pointers this season which account for 67% of his total FG attempts. He shooting 31% from 3 (36th in the SEC). That is adding up to ~9ppg in SEC play.
On the flip side, he is one of your best FT shooters. Yet, in SEC play he's averaging only TWO (2) FT attempts per game. LSU is near the bottom of the league in PPG, FG per game, and FG%. Needless to say, the team is struggling to score.
LSU is nearly dead last in the league in FG attempts per game. They play at a slow pace. Yet, almost 40% of their FG attempts are from three. Why not try to get Miller to the FT line more to take advantage of one of his strengths? If you are not a particularly good FG% team you have to try to manufacture points. Continuing to have several sub 30% (in conf. play) 3 point shooters clang shot after shot is not a way to do it.
Go look at the 18-19 LSU team. They were a terrible 3 point shooting team (300th in the nation in 3p%). Yet, they were No.1 in the SEC in ppg. Part of that is because they were a ridiculously good offensive rebounding team (this team isn't that). But the other part is they were No. 1 in the SEC in FT attempts and FT makes per game.
LSU hung in the game with Alabama far longer than most expected. They also put up their second highest point total in SEC play this season (69). They didn't shoot it worth a damn from the field (30%). So how did that happen? They went to the FT line a season high 31 times and got a season high 24 points from the line.
Why, as a coach, are you not making it a point of emphasis to get your best FT shooters to the line as much as reasonably possible?!
Miller has taken 169 3 pointers this season which account for 67% of his total FG attempts. He shooting 31% from 3 (36th in the SEC). That is adding up to ~9ppg in SEC play.
On the flip side, he is one of your best FT shooters. Yet, in SEC play he's averaging only TWO (2) FT attempts per game. LSU is near the bottom of the league in PPG, FG per game, and FG%. Needless to say, the team is struggling to score.
LSU is nearly dead last in the league in FG attempts per game. They play at a slow pace. Yet, almost 40% of their FG attempts are from three. Why not try to get Miller to the FT line more to take advantage of one of his strengths? If you are not a particularly good FG% team you have to try to manufacture points. Continuing to have several sub 30% (in conf. play) 3 point shooters clang shot after shot is not a way to do it.
Go look at the 18-19 LSU team. They were a terrible 3 point shooting team (300th in the nation in 3p%). Yet, they were No.1 in the SEC in ppg. Part of that is because they were a ridiculously good offensive rebounding team (this team isn't that). But the other part is they were No. 1 in the SEC in FT attempts and FT makes per game.
LSU hung in the game with Alabama far longer than most expected. They also put up their second highest point total in SEC play this season (69). They didn't shoot it worth a damn from the field (30%). So how did that happen? They went to the FT line a season high 31 times and got a season high 24 points from the line.
Why, as a coach, are you not making it a point of emphasis to get your best FT shooters to the line as much as reasonably possible?!
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:50 pm to Alt26
We did a nice job getting to the line against bama. Hopefully fountain is possessed again tonight against his old squad
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:18 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:24 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:
Effect of injury on his ability or not, what is a fact is that even pre injury he wasn't as good as you all think
He wasn't Cam Thomas, but thats the role he's being forced into on this terrible team, while having the other teams best defender try and lock him down all game because other teams know he's the only scoring option we really have at guard.
He's a completely different player on the team last year and would have been very good. Is he averaging, 20ppg, probably not. But he would have looked monumentally better for sure. IF you really think Wade was lying about him not sure what to tell you, anyone around the program watching that team preseason would tell you Miller had the goods. How much his injury is affecting him cant be quantified but this is not the player for sure he can be. He was a starting player on a great Illinois team as a freshman, made Team USA, the guy clearly has legit talent, he's just in an awful situation coming off an awful injury. Put him on Bama this year and injury or not I bet he looks REALLY good because they have other options and know how to setup 3's, we dont, so teams focus him down every game pretty much.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:19 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
He may be affected some by his injury but if you watch his shooting motion and mechanics, he doesn’t require a lot of lift in his shot, therefore his knee injury shouldn’t be that big of a hindrance on his effectiveness.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:01 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:
There are only two players on our roster that see meaningful minutes with both a negative box plus/minus rating in offense and defense: Adam Miller and Juice Hill.
Here I’ll end this goal post moving by you: your freaking coach is a big pile of horse hockey. He owns the roster. Hs can play Miller or not.
MadKing and other have given you video evidence to why he isn’t the player he was 2 years ago or the summer before last year. YOU WERE NOT AT THOSE PRACTICES WITH ALL OF THR OTHER PLAYERS AND COACHES. Post your direct name and provide eveidence you know a freaking thing or STHU!
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:25 pm to Tiger1988
If you think providing additional statistical evidence is moving the goalpost, then idk what to say.
And yes I agree, we do need to get to the line more. Funny thing is, Adam is shooting around twice as many free throws a game as he did at Illinois. Anyway, let’s hope we look good tonight and get a win. We can only hope.
And yes I agree, we do need to get to the line more. Funny thing is, Adam is shooting around twice as many free throws a game as he did at Illinois. Anyway, let’s hope we look good tonight and get a win. We can only hope.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:31 pm to S
quote:Fountain going as aggressive as he did was obviously huge in that game. If Ward and / or Reed start getting to the next level, that will be good news for next year. Of course Phillips has earned some extra playing time and I hope to see him at 15+ minutes the rest of the year.
We did a nice job getting to the line against bama. Hopefully fountain is possessed again tonight against his old squad
Adam Miller is a Tiger until he is not. When he decided to come back I thought that he might not be fully recovered until late this year / next year. While he looks physically good, sometimes everything doesn't just click right away. Lucky for him, he has 3 YEARS of ELIGIBILITY left if I am not mistaken.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:36 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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If you think providing additional statistical evidence is moving the goalpost, then idk what to say.
Provide direct evidence Miller had not improved to the point the summer before his injury JUST LIKE EASTON, his teammates and coaches were lauding his scoring ability.
You say “Easton can improve but Miller cannot under Wade.
All this bull shite was started as a shot at Wade, yet it is McMahon that thinks so highly of him, he continues to play him. MCMAHON DOES!
You’re no different that The Pirate King and Orgeron with his attack on Wade.
Hell you may be his alter.
Until you PROVE WHO YOU ARE OR SHOW HOW YOU DIRECTLY WITNESSED WITNESSED HIS PLAY you are nothing. Nothing you say means a damn thing. Look at the videos or him prior to injury and stop moving goal posts.
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