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re: The myth of the great recruiting classes of the past
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:06 am to The Egg
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:06 am to The Egg
This is critically important and good point. This same thing happened with my brothers class in the 90s. He was technically Arnspergers last class. But his class or one after only had like 4 guys finish out. That really hollows out your program quickly.
This is one of the reasons we need to give Bebe some time. Like Russian military power the last few LSU recruiting class have been largely a myth. We also have some real holes to fill. Les was trying for one last run and make some recruiting mistakes. It happens
This is one of the reasons we need to give Bebe some time. Like Russian military power the last few LSU recruiting class have been largely a myth. We also have some real holes to fill. Les was trying for one last run and make some recruiting mistakes. It happens
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:09 am to cra_cra
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Good post... I'm enjoying watching all the O haters spin this
Objective people don't need to spin anything to prove Ed Orgeron is not qualified to be head coach of LSU.
That's the fricked up part.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:18 am to Goldrush25
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Doesn't really matter.
actually it does matter. For him to be academically ineligible as a senior, that means he had years of poor academics under Miles.
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The assignment of blame is irrelevant. Once he accepts the job he's responsible.
in his first year as coach? Not so much for issues such as that in particular.
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Orgeron still has to fix it and he's held accountable if it doesn't get fixed
I don't disagree, but inheriting a shithead and expecting Orgeron to turn him around in one offseason is a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't blame Miles either if he were in the same position.
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If he didn't want to accept responsibility for it he didn't have to take the job.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:26 am to pellietigersaint
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Dave England: seems to me that has Les to do with the previous coach, and more to do with the current.
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Not an O pumper but damn you people will twist anything for your narrative.
How in the world is what Dave said twisting things to fit his narrative?
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Chidi Valentine-Okeke transfers 12/16/16 - dude was overrated and couldn't hang.
There are players on every football roster in America that are overrated and can"t hang. Hell, o himself couldn't hang when he was enrolled at LSU. That being said, this happened on o's watch, not Miles.
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Meah Teuhuma suspended indefinitely 8/2/17 - trouble maker
Every team has players that are trouble makers. There will be some on o's team as well. Still, this happened on o's watch, not Miles.
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Willie Allen headed to JUCO 6/23/17 - so who's fault is this? players dont go to juco just cuz
I would think that this is Willie Allens fault. Still, this happened on o's watch, not Miles.
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Seth Stewart will not enroll at LSU 7/30/17 - dont know dont care
I'm not placing blame on anybody, but this still happened on o's watch.
You sound like an o pumper and you sound like your trying to twist things to fit your narrative.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:29 am to Tiger Voodoo
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2005-2016: Any idiot can win 10 games a year with ALL THIS TALENT!!!
2016-present: Miles classes overrated, roster in shambles, holes everywhere. We’re young. 8-4 would be great.
Oh and tough schedule
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:32 am to pellietigersaint
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Seth Stewart will not enroll at LSU 7/30/17 - dont know dont care
he was part of O's 2017 class.
how convenient that you neither know nor care for something that doesn't fit...how did you put it
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your narrative
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:33 am to earl keese
This whole thread is trying to force a narrative that O had a rebuild. And it’s fricking bullshite.
When O took over Key, Toliver, Jackson, Guice, Moreau, weathersby, And Teuhema were all starters from that class.
That class produced over 1/4 our starting 22 last year.
Not to mention That class would include Etling (by Tiger Ree’s standards of giving credit for transfers)
When O took over Key, Toliver, Jackson, Guice, Moreau, weathersby, And Teuhema were all starters from that class.
That class produced over 1/4 our starting 22 last year.
Not to mention That class would include Etling (by Tiger Ree’s standards of giving credit for transfers)
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:35 am to Tiger Ree
Additionally, if he knew the classes were so lackluster, he shouldn't have campaigned on "win now."
It changes nothing whether the classes are good or not. He promised quick results.
It changes nothing whether the classes are good or not. He promised quick results.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:35 am to Tiger Ree
Another attempt at lowering expectations.
Seems a pretty common theme. 35 percent of offense
Why did O say we would immediately compete for championships.
Seems a pretty common theme. 35 percent of offense
Why did O say we would immediately compete for championships.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:42 am to Tiger Ree
I thought the point of replacing Miles was to do better? The OP seems to be saying that it's okay if Orgeron's recruiting class sucks because Miles' sucked too? How is that supposed to convince me that Orgeron was a valid hire? I thought the goal was to be in the playoff picture. This is more about lowering expectations so O can keep his job.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:43 am to Tiger Ree
How does this compare to other SEC teams?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:45 am to Tiger Ree
Did Miles' tenure always have that type of attrition or is it a more recent thing?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:47 am to tigerfoot
Remember when we ran 10% of Canada's offense on the opening game? That may have been all the offense they really knew the whole season
And we're supposed to be patient after 35% of Ensmingers offense being installed.
And we're supposed to be patient after 35% of Ensmingers offense being installed.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:48 am to SammyTiger
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This whole thread is trying to force a narrative that O had a rebuild. And it's fricking bullshite.
It seems like 90% of Ree's threads and posts are all about forcing a narrative to paint o in a positive light and to deflect any and all blame for things that go wrong onto anybody other than o.
Ree has stated in other threads that o was only the recruiting coordinator for Miles for a few months when the topic is something related to the depth of certain positions on the team, and then when something is said about where the 2017 class was ranked, Ree has said that o was the recruiting coordinator, he's just as responsible (or more) for that class as Miles.
That's all he's got. Force the narrative that o is god-like as far as football is concerned.
And it is indeed fricking bullshite.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 11:54 am to thunderbird1100
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4-star Trey Quinn 7th
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5-star Tyron Johnson 2nd ranked recruit in the class
5-star Maea Teuhema 3rd player in class
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These 3 are the ones that stick out to me. Talking about not only all starters or eventually starters here, but 3 really good players.
Totally agree.. Hell Quinn broke records at SMU.. and Tyron had a good year at OK ST... hell if we could just play pitch and catch with our 3 6 foot 5/6 WR's we have now we would be unreal.. keep shite simple..
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:03 pm to TigerFan55555
Yet somehow Orgeron and staff managed to win 9 games and should havecc cc won the bowl game. You dimwits are crazy. You act like LSU had a losing season and a terrible recruiting class. Get a grip.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:07 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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2005-2016: Any idiot can win 10 games a year with ALL THIS TALENT!!!
2016: Let's hire the best people person we can with no coaching credentials and let real coaches coach. Recipe for success. We have the talent to win now.
2016-present: Miles classes overrated, roster in shambles, holes everywhere. We’re young. 8-4 would be great.
Oh and tough schedule
FIFY
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:09 pm to Tiger Ree
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The myth of the great recruiting classes of the past
Honest question...who to you see as your audience for your constant O blowing posts you make here? Given nearly all of them, rightfully or wrongly, get bashed to no end, it clearly does not play on this forum.
Are you under the impression there is some silent majority behind the scenes lapping up these things?
From my vantage point, posts like yours do the exact opposite from their apparent intent, in that they seem to galvanize the other side into REALLY hating both the man and the decision to hire him and everything that's come since that day.
In short, this shite is obviously counter productive...and you should stop.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:18 pm to STRIPES
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Yet somehow Orgeron and staff managed to win 9 games and should havecc cc won the bowl game.
Against by far the worst schedule in recent memory.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:25 pm to ehidal1
quote:Better than Mississippi State
s this compare to other SEC teams?
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