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re: The difference I see between Ed and Les
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Les would have similar offensive success this year as lsu HC if Burrow was his QB
he would have trusted burrow and the WRs
So you’re saying Les would have brought in the offensive analysts and assIstants to develop a modern offense? Additionally you believe Les would keep being aggressive late in the game with a lead?
BTW, have you noticed game management has improved?
Here’s betting Tory Carter would be on the field more than either Chase, Marshall or Jefferson.
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:26 am to JohnnyU
Les's clock management alone gave me lingering PTSD.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Les would have similar offensive success this year as lsu HC if Burrow was his QB
“The engine’s pretty stinking good”.
Remember?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:48 am to Powerman
Yep Ed delivers while les shits it up
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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Les would have similar offensive success this year as lsu HC if Burrow was his QB
This is why Michigan is going to have Harbaugh for a long, long time.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Les would have similar offensive success this year as lsu HC if Burrow was his QB
he would have trusted burrow and the WRs
When Skip was AD, absolutely. But Alleva? The longer Alleva was AD the less risk averse Miles became.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:12 am to TigrrrDad
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Mett, we had a 3,000 yard quarterback
1,800 yards on 3rd down because we ran into the defense on 1st and 2nd.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 5:24 am
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:16 am to Powerman
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Another big difference is O actually follows through with what he says he is going to do
No doubt. It’s very refreshing from a fan standpoint that he keeps his word.
Also bud, I accidentally DV’ed you
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:16 am to Cuz413
Biggest difference? Coach O is one of us
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:01 am to Laman1978
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On the contrary, I'd like to have seen what Mettenburger, OBJ and Landry would have done under this staff in this offensive system. We might actually be talking about Burrow chasing ZM's records right now.
/\ THIS /\
I love Les as a quality man - but as head coach he was a troglodyte - I loved the talent he was able to amass here but felt he never took full advantage of it.
I wish him all the success in the world somewhere else where he is not perpetually going against equal or superior talent - He could not just overrun and out-talent the SEC talent with a 90% success rate. He needed a better offensive scheme but was too committed to '3 yds and a could of dust' mentality to allow it to happen.
When I - an absolute neophyte stategist - can predict 3/4 of the plays then any competent defensive coach can know exactly how to stop it. All they need is the physical talent to do it - and Alabama always has physical talent to spare.
Welcome O - I love this offense - I have been calling for "passes across the middle' for over 40 years at LSU - at least SOME of the time.
Hurrah!!!
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:08 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Les would have similar offensive success this year as lsu HC if Burrow was his QB
Holy crap! Sorry no way.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:20 am to TigrrrDad
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When Les had Mett, we had a 3,000 yard quarterback
And how did we rank nationally in offensive categories that year?
Folks always bring this up, fact is everyone is putting up record offensive numbers this decade, and while that was a high water mark for Les, it's all relative. That was 2013 right? We were 40th (6 SEC teams had more yards per game) in the country in total yards per game that year, 54th in passing yards per game that year. And we lost 3 games.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:25 am to dovehunter
quote:You're being generous.
Les had an IQ 75% of O’s.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:37 am to Croozin2
quote:Other than the 'risk averse' comments you are hitting on the 2nd biggest issue with Miles:
“The engine’s pretty stinking good”.
Remember?
There was no reason for change if there was a W. The more he won, the less he schemed. If you got a W, then just do the same thing again, but execute better. Never mind they have it on film and the next guy is going to scheme around you- just do it again and execute better and all will be well.
That's one of 2 reasons the more Les won, the worse it became for him in the future.
The other was he would become enamored with talent. Just like the W, the better talent he had the less scheme mattered. With Fournette he wanted to ride that horse to glory, and rightly so, but he didn't put him in position to succeed. If he had lesser talent in RB by committee, then he would scheme in a way to make the lesser talent work.
So when you combine the two, 10 win seasons and increasingly better recruiting classes were only a promise of 3rd place (or lower) SEC W finishes. It's crazy to think about but the 2011 season and subsequent recruiting classes gave us tDecline... because of Les.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:39 am to dovehunter
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Les had an IQ 75% of O’s.
In the words of Bobby Hebert "Coach O has forgotten more football than Miles will ever know"
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:40 am to MichaelTTiger21
LSU is having a great season and you waste your time and ours by shitting on Les Miles.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:41 am to Tiger Ryno
O had success at USC as a HC before he came to LSU. He had success at LSU before he got Brady. Now, he is having spectacular success. Yes, he failed as HC at Ole Miss, but you are ignoring everything else after that.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:45 am to TigerClique21
Maybe he smokes it instead
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:47 am to I20goon
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Other than the 'risk averse' comments you are hitting on the 2nd biggest issue with Miles:
There was no reason for change if there was a W. The more he won, the less he schemed. If you got a W, then just do the same thing again, but execute better. Never mind they have it on film and the next guy is going to scheme around you- just do it again and execute better and all will be well.
That's one of 2 reasons the more Les won, the worse it became for him in the future.
The other was he would become enamored with talent. Just like the W, the better talent he had the less scheme mattered. With Fournette he wanted to ride that horse to glory, and rightly so, but he didn't put him in position to succeed. If he had lesser talent in RB by committee, then he would scheme in a way to make the lesser talent work.
So when you combine the two, 10 win seasons and increasingly better recruiting classes were only a promise of 3rd place (or lower) SEC W finishes. It's crazy to think about but the 2011 season and subsequent recruiting classes gave us tDecline... because of Les.
What you say is 100% correct. I have posted this before but in case you didn't know.
Miles had a 21 point lead at half time of the Tenn game in 05 and with a roster of 25 NFL future draft picks and 7 of them being 1st rounders he could not hold a 3 touchdown advantage.
I have said this many times also, had Miles not followed Saban, no way he has the same success.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:55 am to cj2002
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I have said this many times also, had Miles not followed Saban, no way he has the same success.
Totally agree, in fact I think had he stayed at Okie St., I don't think he lasts more than 4-5 years. He wanted to bring his DC from their Clay and LSU told him no. Thank Goodness. Where's that cat now? I think he's an analyst at OU now...there defense has been great hasn't it?
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