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re: The "call" explained
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:30 am to theunknowntigerfan
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:30 am to theunknowntigerfan
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He had the perfect college slide position with one cleat semi-up - not even close to being a serious attempt to cleat SS! That was closer to a normal major league slide to break up the DP than anything close to deserving one in the head, maybe a brush back high and tight, but not even worth HBP. Get a grip and go back to LL! To all the idiots bringing up the 8th, those runs would never have happened if ump wouldn't have made that bonehead call that took tying run off board... Big Mo crashed and burned, Tigers balloon completely deflated by an awful, unfair call by anal unp.
This. This. This. Should be stickied.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:09 am to ForeverEllisHugh
You have got to be more subtle with your break up attempt... Slaughter obviously pointed his lead leg at the player 1 ft. away from the bag and made no attempts to shift any momentum towards the bag. Horrible mistake in that situation - and it cost us. It's tough to execute a good break up slide and that was not the time to try.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:56 am to Paradiddler
Interference or not, and I think it is highly debatable whether or not that was actually interference, you don't make that call that late in a championship game/series at any level. Regardless of what rule 17.3.2.78.a.b.103 says, it better be damn egregious for you to call it and take the game-tying run off the board. And it was not egregious, far from it. That wouldn't have even been called in MLB, which is stricter and more focus on those calls. Just the fact that you have people analyzing this call and disagreeing with the severity is enough itself to warrant letting that play go.
Fortunately , we had another chance in the 8th that we have no one to Blame but ourselves, so we didn't lose because of that call in itself as we had other chances, but that call in the 7th was still ridiculous.
Tough game to swallow, we certainly had our chances though. Hate that we gave them an early lead and put us behind the 8-ball the entire game.
Fortunately , we had another chance in the 8th that we have no one to Blame but ourselves, so we didn't lose because of that call in itself as we had other chances, but that call in the 7th was still ridiculous.
Tough game to swallow, we certainly had our chances though. Hate that we gave them an early lead and put us behind the 8-ball the entire game.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 3:12 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:04 am to JPLSU1981
It was a good call. He made no effort to touch the base. Went straight at the SS. Dumb move and it cost the team.
Umpire made the correct call. Really no controversy on this play at all.
Umpire made the correct call. Really no controversy on this play at all.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:06 am to ForkEmDemons
He was not out of the baseline. The bag was literally within inches of him, certainly within arms length.
It may or may not have been the right call, but it should not have been called in that moment. Too questionable and iffy a call to risk altering the outcome of such a big game when the play in question had zero affect on the more consequential play.
You "keep the flag in your pocket" on that one. Regardless, we still had another chance in the 8th and didn't get it done.
Yes slaughter screwed up, it wasn't worth it obviously, but the umpire should have exercised restraint in that situation and should not have injected himself into the outcome on such a debatable play.
It may or may not have been the right call, but it should not have been called in that moment. Too questionable and iffy a call to risk altering the outcome of such a big game when the play in question had zero affect on the more consequential play.
You "keep the flag in your pocket" on that one. Regardless, we still had another chance in the 8th and didn't get it done.
Yes slaughter screwed up, it wasn't worth it obviously, but the umpire should have exercised restraint in that situation and should not have injected himself into the outcome on such a debatable play.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 3:14 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:07 am to ForkEmDemons
He was still in the baseline. He didn't maliciously put up his spikes to hurt the player.
He slid right into the base.
He slid right into the base.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 3:09 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:47 am to TigersD69
Seems like the penalty should be the batter is out and all runners return to the last base occupied at the time of the infraction.
Since the runner had already scored, it should have been allowed to stand. There is no rational reason to take a run off the board, but the rule is what it is. Sucks truck nuts.
Since the runner had already scored, it should have been allowed to stand. There is no rational reason to take a run off the board, but the rule is what it is. Sucks truck nuts.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:52 am to TigersD69
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FWIW.... it did not ultimately affect the outcome.
bullshite it didn't...if that score counts, like it should had, everything after that is different, the same exact events that happened because of the umps "interpretation" of the rule and his call does not still happen...
How hard is this for people to understand?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:50 am to TigersD69
There was no need for Slaughter to do that, that was stupid and it cost us.
BB IQ is part of the game too and we didn't have it the last 2 games, ultimately that's why we lost.
Including PM in this too. We just didn't handle the pressure.
BB IQ is part of the game too and we didn't have it the last 2 games, ultimately that's why we lost.
Including PM in this too. We just didn't handle the pressure.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:50 am to DeathValley85
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Bulllllllllllllllllllshite it didn't
We lost 6-1
Slaughters slide took our second run off the board.
It didnt effect the outcome.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:20 am to TigersD69
They turned the double play so the so called interference really didn't interfere with anything they were trying to do.
BS call in that situation
This is a daily play in the MLB
BS call in that situation
This is a daily play in the MLB
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:22 am to TigersD69
Like the call that went against OSU, would it really have mattered anyway? I would say probably not.
But we'll never know and I would not tolerate the OSU crying I'm certainly not going to listen to it from our folks.
But we'll never know and I would not tolerate the OSU crying I'm certainly not going to listen to it from our folks.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:28 am to TigersD69
There were two mistakes on that play.
Firstly, that was the one contact Pap couldn't make. Not with 0 outs and Watson on 3rd. Non-soft grounder in the infield to 2nd base is the one hit he couldn't do in that situation.
Secondly, absolutely no reason for Slaughter to even think about getting to the side of the bag in that situation. If it had been a speedster batting one could argue it was worth a try. Not when Pap doesn't have a chance and tying run would score.
And he was offline enough to make it a valid call. If shortstop had played it wrong and was over the bag more (he was well off to the right field side) then maybe not. But he played it perfectly, slaughter was offline, intentionally, and from the ups point of view raised a cleat to get the leg that didn't touch the bag.
Firstly, that was the one contact Pap couldn't make. Not with 0 outs and Watson on 3rd. Non-soft grounder in the infield to 2nd base is the one hit he couldn't do in that situation.
Secondly, absolutely no reason for Slaughter to even think about getting to the side of the bag in that situation. If it had been a speedster batting one could argue it was worth a try. Not when Pap doesn't have a chance and tying run would score.
And he was offline enough to make it a valid call. If shortstop had played it wrong and was over the bag more (he was well off to the right field side) then maybe not. But he played it perfectly, slaughter was offline, intentionally, and from the ups point of view raised a cleat to get the leg that didn't touch the bag.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:34 am to TigersD69
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Did you miss the 4 run 8th?
It TOTALLY changed the momentum of the game. And, gave us 2 outs instead of 1. And, instead of a tie game, we are down by 1.
That's all I saying about it. Time to move on.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:52 am to Supermoto Tiger
First I agree given the situation it's a tough call.
Here's why I think it's the right call though, the UF SS bounced the throw what 10-15 in front of first base. His throw was clearly affected by the cleat up slide, and his throw easily could have been off. That ump that made the interference call is not watching the throw nor cares about it. It's easy to say 'the double play was not affected' but it indeed was, it was just still turned two. IF that throw was off and the double play not turned, 100% of people would be saying the interference was the right call. But the ump's job is not to wait for the throw to first to be completed, his job is to call it immediately.
Here's why I think it's the right call though, the UF SS bounced the throw what 10-15 in front of first base. His throw was clearly affected by the cleat up slide, and his throw easily could have been off. That ump that made the interference call is not watching the throw nor cares about it. It's easy to say 'the double play was not affected' but it indeed was, it was just still turned two. IF that throw was off and the double play not turned, 100% of people would be saying the interference was the right call. But the ump's job is not to wait for the throw to first to be completed, his job is to call it immediately.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:56 am to I20goon
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There were two mistakes on that play.
Firstly, that was the one contact Pap couldn't make. Not with 0 outs and Watson on 3rd. Non-soft grounder in the infield to 2nd base is the one hit he couldn't do in that situation.
Secondly, absolutely no reason for Slaughter to even think about getting to the side of the bag in that situation. If it had been a speedster batting one could argue it was worth a try. Not when Pap doesn't have a chance and tying run would score.
And he was offline enough to make it a valid call. If shortstop had played it wrong and was over the bag more (he was well off to the right field side) then maybe not. But he played it perfectly, slaughter was offline, intentionally, and from the ups point of view raised a cleat to get the leg that didn't touch the bag.
I agree with this. It was just a couple more in a long line of shite plays by LSU in that series. Those were 2 frustrating games to watch. Mistake after mistake. UF deserved to win even if I hate those arrogant fricks.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:01 am to The Torch
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They turned the double play so the so called interference really didn't interfere with anything they were trying to do.
BS call in that situation
The interference was called before the double play was turned. This is like saying you can tackle a WR and if he happens to stop catch the ball, there's no penalty for the tackle.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:01 am to TigersD69
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it did not ultimately affect the outcome.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:09 am to im4LSU
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We lost 6-1 Slaughters slide took our second run off the board. It didnt effect the outcome.
Do you really believe this?
Holy shite dude I don't even feel like explaining to you why you're wrong. Hopefully someone else is nicer.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:19 am to im4LSU
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Slaughters slide took our second run off the board. It didnt effect the outcome.
It absolutely afffected the outome.
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