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re: The "call" explained
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:07 am to Catman88
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:07 am to Catman88
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Lets stop the BS he never even came close to 2nd base.. you know the object he is supposed to slide into....
He was closer to the bag than Kramer was when he slid into home and slapped the plate. Are you saying Slaughter could not have easily grabbed the bag with his left arm? He was literally 6 inches away from the bag. Terrible call.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:19 am to JJ27
But he didn't. Because he was focused on nailing the guy and wasn't even paying attention to it. I do love the "he could have if he wanted to, but I can't explain why he didn't" logic, along with a comparison to a guy trying to avoid a catcher's tag.
It's incredible how truly clueless some of our fans are.
It's incredible how truly clueless some of our fans are.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:21 am to JJ27
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Are you saying Slaughter could not have easily grabbed the bag with his left arm? He was literally 6 inches away from the bag. Terrible call.
This has got to be a joke.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:21 am to PaperTiger
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if slaughter reaches for second.
Don't agree. If you've ever played baseball you know a hard a slide is going almost 100% at the throw. Otherwise, why slide? You're out as frick. Just stand up in front of him cause a disturbance that way.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:49 am to monkeybutt
Well I thought it was obvious
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:56 am to JJ27
Not in a thread where multiple people claim that he slid into the bag. Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:57 am to TigersD69
where's the explanation? All I see is a wall of text.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:03 am to jwall3
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Looks like that tucked leg went right over the bag and then untucked rolled to the side
Stop now please! Clearly you didn't watch the game or you are just trolling. I'm going with the latter.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:11 am to Godfather1
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If he hadn't called it, I find it highly doubtful O'Sullivan would've come out of the dugout to protest it. It was that hairline.
Of course he would not have because they completed the DP. That is exactly the point...it did not affect the outcome of the play in any way.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:17 am to crazycajun
And as you were told, the ump's hands went up before the double play was turned. Because the penalized action is the dependent on outcome, it's like a dead ball. You can't intentionally slide into an infielder trying to make play. For good reason.
This is common sense.
This is common sense.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:27 am to tLSU
It probably was technically the "correct" call per the rule book, but Those that have watched the evolution of baseball over the years know that call - if the slide isn't overly egregious - should not have been made in that particular situation, as PM basically said himself postgame. It wasn't egregious enough to "risk" changing the outcome of the game over such an inconsequential play/call. Most umpires would have let it go and had a stern talk with Slaughter after.
I do, however, not blame the ump, he was calling it as he saw it and in real-time.
That call did not lose the game for LSU. We have no one to Blame but ourselves, but there's really no question, as it's a fact: that call could or could not have been made... it was a judgment call that did not go LSUs way.
I do, however, not blame the ump, he was calling it as he saw it and in real-time.
That call did not lose the game for LSU. We have no one to Blame but ourselves, but there's really no question, as it's a fact: that call could or could not have been made... it was a judgment call that did not go LSUs way.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:30 am to TigersD69
Who knows if those 4 runs happen in the eighth if LSU's run in the 7th counts? One change impacts many things.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:31 am to Vindibudd
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If there were no additional penalty, offensive teams could consistently slide illegally as a strategy. The worse outcome for them would be a double play.
The only reason for sliding into the SS is to break up the DP. Coaches and players probably never give the additional penalty any thought at all, (I'm sure Mainieri and Tiger Nation will in the future)! In this case, the DP wasn't even broken up by the slide, so there's really no reason to have the call stand. In NFL, ref picks up the flag and waves off any penalty. NO baseball coach would ever put this play into the playbook because there's no additional penalty. In my opinion, if there must be something more than awarding the defensive team the DP, a much better penalty would be to suspend the runner who commits the foul from the rest of the game. Depending on the severity, maybe suspend player from the next game, too
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My reasoning is that conceivably if there is no interference that the first basemen could take that ball and throw the runner out at home. Yeah, that's an ultra slim chance of happening, but if the 2nd base runner disrupts that play by a using an illegal maneuver that takes the ultra slim change down to impossible and that's why the 3rd base runner has to go back to 3rd base. – by Gator fan
LOL and HAD to come from a gator fan! The runner at 3rd would have to fall down and break his leg, or be "running" bases on crutches for that to happen! I guarantee there's not one player in college or high school baseball who's that slow! LL, yes, but not beyond that. And if runner was that slow, and actually broke towards home, the play would be at home to stop tying run from being scored, (maybe even 4-2-3 or 4-2-5 DP, not a 4-6-3 DP allowing Humpty Dumpty to score from 3rd. You really had to think hard to come up with that idea, but again, you are a gator fan and slow to start with.....
Oh well, congratulations to the Tigers for having an outstanding year and making it to the national championship series! Team provided some really great baseball to watch during their championship run and many great (and a few not so great) memories! I APPLAUD YOU !!!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:50 am to theunknowntigerfan
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In NFL, ref picks up the flag and waves off any penalty.
Oh is that what happens in the NFL? If I interfere with you catching a pass, and you catch it, he picks up the flag? If there's a hold called on the end of the line opposite from where the play develops, thus not affecting the play, is it picked up?
If an NBA player fouls during a shot, and the shot goes in, is it waived off?
I guess when the facts aren't going your way, you just make up new ones.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:52 am to denvertiger
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It's offensive interference which means everyone not out on the play has to return to the base they occupied when the play began. Essentially, the ball becomes dead on the play and no one can advance. It was a bad play by Slaughter, IMO.
I understand it's the rule and was applied correctly. I just don't understand the part of the rule that sends a guy back to a base that was not affected by the play. The penalty should be runner on 1st is out(if he was called safe) and ejection of the player sliding. The runner on 3rd literally has zero to do with the play. Oh well.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:05 pm to tLSU
Did lsu have 1st and third after that call?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:05 pm to Hot Carl
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The penalty should be runner on 1st is out(if he was called safe) and ejection of the player sliding
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:12 pm to TigersD69
Does that happen when they are losing and he pressure is on?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:12 pm to Hot Carl
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I understand it's the rule and was applied correctly. I just don't understand the part of the rule that sends a guy back to a base that was not affected by the play. The penalty should be runner on 1st is out(if he was called safe) and ejection of the player sliding. The runner on 3rd literally has zero to do with the play. Oh well.
Play is dead before any runners advance because of the foul.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 pm to Vindibudd
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Play is dead before any runners advance because of the foul.
The runner had already advanced, I doubt the call was made before the runner left for home.
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