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Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:29 pm to German Shepard
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Dude, Ohio St. was #1. I'm talking about finding another team who should have faced Ohio St.
Georgia or Virginia Tech each had valid arguments.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:30 pm to Bellabama
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Why does everyone need to let it go but you?
We are having a discussion about whether LSU really was excited about playing Alabama a second time
The thread has been hijacked by Alabama fans
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:31 pm to blackjackjackson
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When I am old, that's my story ---------------------------------- i'm old now, and that's my story now.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:31 pm to ApexTiger
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We are having a discussion about whether LSU really was excited about playing Alabama a second time
The thread has been hijacked by Alabama fans
No. You said they shite the bed because they were sulking about having to play twice. Alabama fans countered the argument, and you turned it into an argument about deserving to be there.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:31 pm to ApexTiger
Georgia looked good because they beatdown a WAC team and we stomped VT
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:33 pm to cattus
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Georgia looked good because they beatdown a WAC team and we stomped VT
They had not lost to a team since they lost to Tennessee in early October. LSU had lost to Kentucky, and then Arkansas, neither of whom were very good.
So the argument was that Georgia was playing better and looked stronger.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:35 pm to Bellabama
I like how all the Bama fans are now saying that the reason they won because they were "the much better team" and that the relative motivation of each team played no part.
If Bama was "the much better team" how do you explain the loss at HOME on Nov 5th? I heard many Bama fans then saying that even though it was "the game of the century" they somehow weren't "ready" or focused.
If Bama was truly "the MUCH better team" they couldn't have been beaten by LSU at home. You Bama fans have to pick a side. If you think that there is no way teams can have different levels of motivation in a big game, then you must admit that Bama isn't better than LSU.... if the motivation was equal on Nov 5th LSU is Bama's equal in talent since they were able to win game one at BDS.
If Bama was "the much better team" how do you explain the loss at HOME on Nov 5th? I heard many Bama fans then saying that even though it was "the game of the century" they somehow weren't "ready" or focused.
If Bama was truly "the MUCH better team" they couldn't have been beaten by LSU at home. You Bama fans have to pick a side. If you think that there is no way teams can have different levels of motivation in a big game, then you must admit that Bama isn't better than LSU.... if the motivation was equal on Nov 5th LSU is Bama's equal in talent since they were able to win game one at BDS.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:36 pm to Bellabama
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Georgia or Virginia Tech each had valid arguments.
Well LSU beat Virginia Tech that year so they certainly would not have been ahead of LSU. Not only did LSU jump Georgia. But so did Virginia Tech and Oklahoma.
Georgia and Kansas were penalized for not playing in their conference championship games. They went from #4 and #5 to #5 and #8. Missouri lost and stayed ahead of Kansas.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:37 pm to BhamDore
The loser of the last game has a more psychological advantage. Bama looked mad as hell, while LSU looked afraid to lose. My wish would be that the 3rd game could be played in Tiger stadium in another 43 days so that LSU players, especially JJ, could get a good dose of media beat down after the beat down on 01/09. Then let's see who is ready to play ball. Face it, would LSU have beaten Bama on 01/09. Bama just wanted to kick a$$ & can you blame 'em.
This whole notion that because Bama was so dominant last game that LSU could not beat them next game holds no water. It's the whole "eye test" which is bogus. Since Saban wanted to justify the rematch by comparing it to the NFL, let's look the Packers/Giants game this past weekend. Because of the beat down by the Giants, I guess the Packers would not have a chance next game. It just goes to show that a team will play according to how well it prepares.
This whole notion that because Bama was so dominant last game that LSU could not beat them next game holds no water. It's the whole "eye test" which is bogus. Since Saban wanted to justify the rematch by comparing it to the NFL, let's look the Packers/Giants game this past weekend. Because of the beat down by the Giants, I guess the Packers would not have a chance next game. It just goes to show that a team will play according to how well it prepares.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:37 pm to Bellabama
Not comparable. LSU won its conference, the best conference, in 2007. This year Bama finished second in its own division and otherwise had a bunch of highlights against Ole Miss and North Texas to make its case. There should have been a rule barring a team with such a thin resume from getting to the BCS game. I don't blame LSU for losing interest in the game after selection Sunday. They got a raw deal. An intra-division do-over for the national championship? What a farce.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:39 pm to Bellabama
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No. You said they shite the bed because they were sulking about having to play twice. Alabama fans countered the argument, and you turned it into an argument about deserving to be there.
That's a complete perversion of what was actually communicated. Maybe that's my fault for being a bad communicator
Look! you are Alabama, and we don't' like you!
When we beat you in your house this year, we should not have to share the spot light with You in the post season.
It's really very simple..You got a do over without playing your way in
How else can you say you did, when your record was 11-1 and ours was 13-0?
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:39 pm to ApexTiger
You LSU fans that keep saying that Bama suffered no consequences of the loss act like on the morning of 11/6/11 people just woke up and stated, "Okay, everyone, just forget last night happened. Screw what anyone does the rest of the year, a rematch on 1/9/12 is locked in!" No. A unique and improbable set of circumstances had to occur that Bama undoubtedly benefitted from. But y'all act like Nick Saban was behind the curtain pulling levers to orchestrate the rematch.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:42 pm to lsuexpert57
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If Bama was "the much better team" how do you explain the loss at HOME on Nov 5th? I heard many Bama fans then saying that even though it was "the game of the century" they somehow weren't "ready" or focused.
If Bama was truly "the MUCH better team" they couldn't have been beaten by LSU at home. You Bama fans have to pick a side. If you think that there is no way teams can have different levels of motivation in a big game, then you must admit that Bama isn't better than LSU.... if the motivation was equal on Nov 5th LSU is Bama's equal in talent since they were able to win game one at BDS.
I never really think it's an advantage for Alabama to play at home. They've done better against their biggest rivals away for the past few years. I thought that the statistics and points left on the field favored Alabama... but that LSU came up with the win that night. And for that, they were rewarded by being voted #1 and getting the credit of beating the #2 team at home.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:43 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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But y'all act like Nick Saban was behind the curtain pulling levers to orchestrate the rematch.
Just completely making shite up sure is fun.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:43 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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You LSU fans that keep saying that Bama suffered no consequences of the loss act like on the morning of 11/6/11 people just woke up and stated, "Okay, everyone, just forget last night happened. Screw what anyone does the rest of the year, a rematch on 1/9/12 is locked in!" No. A unique and improbable set of circumstances had to occur that Bama undoubtedly benefitted from. But y'all act like Nick Saban was behind the curtain pulling levers to orchestrate the rematch.
Let me give you a tip..
Because Nick Saban is so highly respected, he kept alabama from dropping but 1 spot
any other team would have dropped a good 4-6 spots with a home loss..no matter how close it was...That would have effected the final BCS enough for Alabama to finish behind OSU
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:45 pm to ApexTiger
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Alabama didn't recieve any real consequences from losing at home to a division rival that went undefeated.
Agreed, this is what is still getting at me.
I'm worried about the precedent that could be set from this in the years to come.
Alabama played like they deserved to be there. Hats off to them. But that still doesn't change the fact that this game should have never been played IMO.
With any new changes in the BCS format, the fine print should stipulate that you must win your conference to participate in a 4 team playoff.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:46 pm to ApexTiger
I agree with the OP because as a fan, I felt the same way.
I wasn't pumped for the National Championship game like I was the first game against Alabama.
It's like I felt "been there, done that", and LSU was in the national championship against a team they just recently beat.
I felt they had done everything except for carry home the crystal. It's like I almost didn't care what happened in the game because LSU already proved everything.
And I tend to notice whatever my own mood is about a game is exactly how the players are feeling. For example, after the first Alabama game, I was drained... excited and relieved. Then for the next game against W. Kentucky, I was feeling flat... like I was going to relax and take it easy for that game. LSU seemed to do the same. Then I started getting into it and so did the team.
We're all human and fans and players want the same thing, so they will have the same mentality and emotions as the game goes on and between games.
And as an LSU fan, I wasn't pumped for the national championship like I would have been if I still felt like LSU had something to prove... like if the game was against Oklahoma State.
I wasn't pumped for the National Championship game like I was the first game against Alabama.
It's like I felt "been there, done that", and LSU was in the national championship against a team they just recently beat.
I felt they had done everything except for carry home the crystal. It's like I almost didn't care what happened in the game because LSU already proved everything.
And I tend to notice whatever my own mood is about a game is exactly how the players are feeling. For example, after the first Alabama game, I was drained... excited and relieved. Then for the next game against W. Kentucky, I was feeling flat... like I was going to relax and take it easy for that game. LSU seemed to do the same. Then I started getting into it and so did the team.
We're all human and fans and players want the same thing, so they will have the same mentality and emotions as the game goes on and between games.
And as an LSU fan, I wasn't pumped for the national championship like I would have been if I still felt like LSU had something to prove... like if the game was against Oklahoma State.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:46 pm to ApexTiger
Chizik or Kelley made the point that when a team, Alabama, loses a game like they did to LSU they focus more on what the mistakes were and how to improve.
On the flip side, LSU as the winner, falls victim to simple human nature. "We beat those guys already", and probably focused less on the mistakes that were made and about how the second game could be different. Again, chalking it up to human nature.
Some of that was at play here I think.
On the flip side, LSU as the winner, falls victim to simple human nature. "We beat those guys already", and probably focused less on the mistakes that were made and about how the second game could be different. Again, chalking it up to human nature.
Some of that was at play here I think.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:46 pm to ApexTiger
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How else can you say you did, when your record was 11-1 and ours was 13-0?
Well Oklahoma State had the same record. They lost to a terrible team. Most people weren't thrilled, but they thought it was the best scenario. Then LSU lost. People discussed it quite a bit. And I don't really understand what good it does for you to still question it. It certainly doesn't give LSU the chance to play again. Everyone thinks, based on the way they won the second team, and based on the stats from the first game, that Alabama was the better team.
So... when it happens next, and LSU benefits, we will put you down in the category that thinks LSU doesn't deserve to be there.
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